Gerald, I don't have Office 2007 but do have Office 2010. If you hit your alt key in Word and right arrow across the top ribbon structure, toward the end you'll hear a button that says minimize the ribbons. If you select this with space bar and then repeat the steps this time it will announce a check box that is checked. Of course the ctrl F1 toggles it as well as David mentioned.
Best, Al -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:29 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation What's amazing to me is that my ribbon menus were apparently minimized from the get go when Office 2007 was originally installed on my system five years ago, and I simply didn't realize until now that they were not functioning correctly. Maybe a lot of other blind computer users also have their ribbon menus minimized/hidden, and so become frustrated trying to navigate the MS Word menus in their minimized format. I had no idea that Control-F1 is a toggle that hides or restores the ribbon menus because the tech guy from the rehab center who originally installed Office 2007 on my computer never mentioned it. If Mike D had not brought up the subject of ribbon navigation, I would have continued to grope around my Word 2007 menus the way they were, remaining ignorant that they were never in proper maximized ribbon format in the first place. Also, JAWS does not announce any change when you press Control-F1, so you really have no way of verifying whether the ribbon menus are minimized/hidden or maximized/restored. Very confusing. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > Hello Gerald; > > well, glad it worked for you, you're problem/access to the ribbon menu, > didn't sound right to me! > so I had a hunch, > to minimize the bribbon in my office program/word2007. > > I was able to duplacate your findings, > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:44 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > Wow, this worked! Now the ribbon menus seem to work the way they are > supposed to. Now when I scroll to the Mailings tab and press tab once, I > land on Envelopes. Thanks. > > Gerald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> hello there; >> >> well, it sounds to me like your ribbon is minimized. >> try opening word, >> then use the keystroke, >> ctrl+f1 key, >> now, you should be able to use the menus. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:55 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >> If I arrow down from the Mailings tab in Word 2007, the first item I land >> on >> >> is Microsoft Office Word Help,not Envelopes, just the same as if I had >> pressed tab once. I'm telling you that the only way to reach the >> Envelopes >> option from the Mailings tab is to first pressEnter, then press tab once >> to >> land on Labels and then Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow to land on >> Envelopes. >> It doesn't matterwhether I'm using JAWS 9 or JAWS 13, ribbon navigation >> works the same way in both bersions. That's why the menu ribbons are so >> widely despised: there is apparently no rhyme or reason to the way they >> work, which can vary from computer to computer. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve" <pipeguy...@gmail.com> >> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 9:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> That's because I don't think you are doing it correctly. >>> >>> In ribbons, there is vertical navigation. When you scroll to Mailings, >>> don't press Enter. Arrow down. You should see two options then >>> envelopes >> >>> and labels. >>> >>> If you want to address an envelope, select that. If you want to print a >>> bunch of labels, select that and then go through the options. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimi...@verizon.net> >>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:57 AM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I just tried ribbon navigation using JAWS 13, and I get the same >>>> results >>>> on the Word 2007 Mailings tab as with JAWS 9. If I scroll to the >>>> Mailings tab, then press tab once, I hear Microsoft Office Word Help. >>>> If >> >>>> I scroll to Mailings, press Enter and then press Tab once, I hear >>>> Labels, >> >>>> just like wit JAWS 9. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. So >>>> no matter what I do, Envelopes does not come up as the first option >>>> under >> >>>> Mailings. Perhaps ribbon menus behave differently in XP than they do in >>>> Windows 7 and 8. >>>> >>>> Gerald >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:33 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> >>>>> hello there; >>>>> >>>>> well I do understand what your saying; >>>>> however, my only question is? >>>>> why are you pressing enter on the mailings tab? >>>>> once you've right arrow to mailings tab, >>>>> just use the tab key? >>>>> my only other thought would be, because your using an earlier version >>>>> of >>>>> jaws, >>>>> I'm using jaws 15, I think I recall you saying your using jaws 9. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:06 PM >>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an >>>>> example >>>>> of >>>>> how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I >>>>> have >>>>> been >>>>> >>>>> using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word >>>>> 2007, so >>>>> >>>>> I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to >>>>> the >>>>> Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings >>>>> tab, >>>>> the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press >>>>> Shift-Tab, >>>>> >>>>> I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are >>>>> probably others just like it that I am not aware of. >>>>> >>>>> Gerald >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> hello; >>>>>> what happens if; >>>>>> 1, you go to the ribbon menu, >>>>>> >>>>>> 2, right arrow to mailings tab, >>>>>> >>>>>> 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; >>>>>> >>>>>> also, have you tried the shortcut, >>>>>> alt+m+e >>>>>> so, alt+m=mailings, >>>>>> e=envelope. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM >>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the >>>>>> Mailings >>>>>> tab >>>>>> in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land >>>>>> on >> >>>>>> is >>>>>> Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by >>>>>> continuing >> >>>>>> to >>>>>> press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. >>>>>> But >>>>>> this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press >>>>>> Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could >>>>>> see >>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>> juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no >>>>>> easy >>>>>> way >>>>>> >>>>>> for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to >>>>>> experiment >>>>>> with >>>>>> various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to >>>>>> find >>>>>> it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the >>>>>> way, >>>>>> did >>>>>> you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier >>>>>> versions >> >>>>>> of >>>>>> Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only >>>>>> with >>>>>> the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular >>>>>> feature like this make any sense? >>>>>> >>>>>> Gerald >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> well; >>>>>>> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >>>>>>> using word 2007, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >>>>>>> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will >>>>>>> see/hear, >>>>>>> envelope. >>>>>>> now, press enter. >>>>>>> or, within the document, >>>>>>> press, >>>>>>> alt+m+e, >>>>>>> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >>>>>>> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> then after going to the menu, >>>>>>> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >>>>>>> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >>>>>>> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut >>>>>>> keys. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon >>>>>>> menus >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, >>>>>>> but I >>>>>>> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then >>>>>>> use >>>>>>> right >>>>>>> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> tab >>>>>>> from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> >>>>>>> press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically >>>>>>> appears. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon >>>>>>> menus >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? >>>>>>> This >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> a whole other ball game altogether. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gerald >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>>> well here's my take on the ribbons, >>>>>>>> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >>>>>>>> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >>>>>>>> home, insert, page layout, etc, >>>>>>>> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> tabs. >>>>>>>> to access the settings, use the tab key, >>>>>>>> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >>>>>>>> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the >>>>>>>> ribbon, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> stay focused on the particular tab title. >>>>>>>> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >>>>>>>> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >>>>>>>> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >>>>>>>> word count, >>>>>>>> spelling and grammar button, >>>>>>>> etc, >>>>>>>> also, >>>>>>>> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >>>>>>>> when you use the applications key in word. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >> >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of jim rawls >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send >>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>> I just >>>>>>>> plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> Send >>>>>>>> it to: >>>>>>>> jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. >>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >> >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Flor & All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little >>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>> called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple >>>>>>>> endeavor! >>>>>>>> I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho >>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>> him >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all >>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Flor Lynch >>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the >>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>> of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages >>>>>>>> (ctrl+tab) >>>>>>>> you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or >>>>>>>> lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall >>>>>>>> Excel >>>>>>>> had plenty of those.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>> longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly >>>>>>>> used >> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>> more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net> >>>>>>>> To: "Jaws-Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up >>>>>>>>> frustrate >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that >>>>>>>>> explains >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without >>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just >>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>> get the >>>>>>>>> hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I >>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>> it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would >>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>> like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them >>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! >>>>>>>>> LOL, >>>>>>>>> hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly >>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>> Thanks much. >>>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
