Hi Gerald, Okay, thank you very much for the clarification. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool.
----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Levy To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation If I scroll to the Mailings tab in Word 2007 without hitting Enter, and then press tab once, I hear Microsoft Office Word Help Button. If I tab again, I hear Office submenu grid, and if I tab a third time, I hear Quick Access Tool Bar. To get to Envelopes and Labels, I have to pressEnter when I land on the Mailings tab. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > Hi Gerald, > > Do, not, press enter on the, Mailing tab!! Just right arrow to it & tab 1 > time, & see if that works. > Take care. > Mike > This email was sent from my, iBarstool. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald Levy > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > > Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an example of > how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I have > been > using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word 2007, > so > I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to the > Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings tab, > the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press > Shift-Tab, > I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are > probably others just like it that I am not aware of. > > Gerald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> hello; >> what happens if; >> 1, you go to the ribbon menu, >> >> 2, right arrow to mailings tab, >> >> 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; >> >> also, have you tried the shortcut, >> alt+m+e >> so, alt+m=mailings, >> e=envelope. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >> Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings >> tab >> in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on >> is >> Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing >> to >> press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But >> this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press >> Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see >> the >> >> juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy >> way >> >> for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment >> with >> various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find >> it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, >> did >> you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions >> of >> Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only >> with >> the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular >> feature like this make any sense? >> >> Gerald >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> hello; >>> >>> well; >>> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >>> using word 2007, >>> >>> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >>> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, >>> envelope. >>> now, press enter. >>> or, within the document, >>> press, >>> alt+m+e, >>> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >>> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >>> >>> then after going to the menu, >>> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >>> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >>> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus >>> are >>> >>> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but >>> I >>> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the >>> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use >>> right >>> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. >>> The >>> first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to >>> tab >>> from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the >>> Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and >>> then >>> >>> press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically >>> appears. >>> >>> This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the >>> Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to >>> press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the >>> ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus >>> for >>> Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This >>> is >>> a whole other ball game altogether. >>> >>> Gerald >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>>> hello; >>>> well here's my take on the ribbons, >>>> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >>>> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >>>> home, insert, page layout, etc, >>>> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of >>>> the >>>> tabs. >>>> to access the settings, use the tab key, >>>> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >>>> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, >>>> and >>>> stay focused on the particular tab title. >>>> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >>>> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >>>> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >>>> word count, >>>> spelling and grammar button, >>>> etc, >>>> also, >>>> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >>>> when you use the applications key in word. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of jim rawls >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it >>>> to >>>> me. >>>> I just >>>> plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to >>>> use >>>> it. >>>> Send >>>> it to: >>>> jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of >>>> Mike B. >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> Hi Flor & All, >>>> >>>> I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little >>>> program >>>> called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple >>>> endeavor! >>>> I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & >>>> let >>>> him >>>> >>>> make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. >>>> Take care. >>>> Mike >>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Flor Lynch >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike, >>>> >>>> I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea >>>> of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages >>>> (ctrl+tab) >>>> you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as >>>> them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you >>>> have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through >>>> their >>>> parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or >>>> lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the >>>> real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things in >>>> the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them is >>>> as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel >>>> had plenty of those.) >>>> >>>> Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with >>>> the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does take >>>> longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly used >>>> to >>>> be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are now >>>> more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net> >>>> To: "Jaws-Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM >>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up frustrate >>>>> the >>>>> hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that explains >>>>> the >>>>> ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without using >>>>> the >>>>> Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just can't >>>>> get the >>>>> hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I >>>>> guess >>>>> it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would >>>>> really >>>>> like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them down >>>>> in >>>>> simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple >>>>> because >>>>> I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! LOL, >>>>> hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL >>>>> >>>>> So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks much. >>>>> Take care. >>>>> Mike >>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
