It should say "minimize the ribbon checked" if it is minimized, otherwise it just say "minimize the ribbon" Regards Tom Bisset
-----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley Sent: March 18, 2014 9:54 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Al. I've noticed the Minimize Ribbons choice on Word 2010's top level ribbon. Can I assume my ribbon is maximized if I hear the "minimize ribbon" choice? On 3/18/2014 10:49 AM, Alan Robbins wrote: > Gerald, > > I don't have Office 2007 but do have Office 2010. If you hit your alt > key in Word and right arrow across the top ribbon structure, toward > the end you'll hear a button that says minimize the ribbons. If you > select this with space bar and then repeat the steps this time it will > announce a check box that is checked. Of course the ctrl F1 toggles it > as well as David mentioned. > > Best, > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:29 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > What's amazing to me is that my ribbon menus were apparently minimized > from > the get go when Office 2007 was originally installed on my system five > years > ago, and I simply didn't realize until now that they were not > functioning > correctly. Maybe a lot of other blind computer users also have their > ribbon > menus minimized/hidden, and so become frustrated trying to navigate > the MS > Word menus in their minimized format. I had no idea that Control-F1 > is a > toggle that hides or restores the ribbon menus because the tech guy > from the > rehab center who originally installed Office 2007 on my computer never > > mentioned it. If Mike D had not brought up the subject of ribbon > navigation, I would have continued to grope around my Word 2007 menus > the > way they were, remaining ignorant that they were never in proper > maximized > ribbon format in the first place. Also, JAWS does not announce any > change > when you press Control-F1, so you really have no way of verifying > whether > the ribbon menus are minimized/hidden or maximized/restored. Very > confusing. > > Gerald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> Hello Gerald; >> >> well, glad it worked for you, you're problem/access to the ribbon > menu, >> didn't sound right to me! >> so I had a hunch, >> to minimize the bribbon in my office program/word2007. >> >> I was able to duplacate your findings, >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:44 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >> Wow, this worked! Now the ribbon menus seem to work the way they > are >> supposed to. Now when I scroll to the Mailings tab and press tab > once, I >> land on Envelopes. Thanks. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> hello there; >>> >>> well, it sounds to me like your ribbon is minimized. >>> try opening word, >>> then use the keystroke, >>> ctrl+f1 key, >>> now, you should be able to use the menus. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:55 AM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>> If I arrow down from the Mailings tab in Word 2007, the first item > I land >>> on >>> >>> is Microsoft Office Word Help,not Envelopes, just the same as if I > had >>> pressed tab once. I'm telling you that the only way to reach the >>> Envelopes >>> option from the Mailings tab is to first pressEnter, then press tab > once >>> to >>> land on Labels and then Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow to land on >>> Envelopes. >>> It doesn't matterwhether I'm using JAWS 9 or JAWS 13, ribbon > navigation >>> works the same way in both bersions. That's why the menu ribbons > are so >>> widely despised: there is apparently no rhyme or reason to the way > they >>> work, which can vary from computer to computer. >>> >>> Gerald >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Steve" <pipeguy...@gmail.com> >>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 9:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>>> That's because I don't think you are doing it correctly. >>>> >>>> In ribbons, there is vertical navigation. When you scroll to > Mailings, >>>> don't press Enter. Arrow down. You should see two options then >>>> envelopes >>>> and labels. >>>> >>>> If you want to address an envelope, select that. If you want to > print a >>>> bunch of labels, select that and then go through the options. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimi...@verizon.net> >>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:57 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> >>>>> I just tried ribbon navigation using JAWS 13, and I get the same >>>>> results >>>>> on the Word 2007 Mailings tab as with JAWS 9. If I scroll to the >>>>> Mailings tab, then press tab once, I hear Microsoft Office Word > Help. >>>>> If >>>>> I scroll to Mailings, press Enter and then press Tab once, I hear >>>>> Labels, >>>>> just like wit JAWS 9. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear > Envelopes. So >>>>> no matter what I do, Envelopes does not come up as the first > option >>>>> under >>>>> Mailings. Perhaps ribbon menus behave differently in XP than they > do in >>>>> Windows 7 and 8. >>>>> >>>>> Gerald >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:33 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> hello there; >>>>>> >>>>>> well I do understand what your saying; >>>>>> however, my only question is? >>>>>> why are you pressing enter on the mailings tab? >>>>>> once you've right arrow to mailings tab, >>>>>> just use the tab key? >>>>>> my only other thought would be, because your using an earlier > version >>>>>> of >>>>>> jaws, >>>>>> I'm using jaws 15, I think I recall you saying your using jaws > 9. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:06 PM >>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an >>>>>> example >>>>>> of >>>>>> how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. > I >>>>>> have >>>>>> been >>>>>> >>>>>> using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using > Word >>>>>> 2007, so >>>>>> >>>>>> I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to > get to >>>>>> the >>>>>> Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the > Mailings >>>>>> tab, >>>>>> the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then > press >>>>>> Shift-Tab, >>>>>> >>>>>> I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but > there are >>>>>> probably others just like it that I am not aware of. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gerald >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>> what happens if; >>>>>>> 1, you go to the ribbon menu, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2, right arrow to mailings tab, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> also, have you tried the shortcut, >>>>>>> alt+m+e >>>>>>> so, alt+m=mailings, >>>>>>> e=envelope. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM >>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the >>>>>>> Mailings >>>>>>> tab >>>>>>> in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I > land >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by >>>>>>> continuing >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes > option. >>>>>>> But >>>>>>> this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to > press >>>>>>> Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person > could >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there > is no >>>>>>> easy >>>>>>> way >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to >>>>>>> experiment >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told > how to >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By > the >>>>>>> way, >>>>>>> did >>>>>>> you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier >>>>>>> versions >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be > launched only >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a > popular >>>>>>> feature like this make any sense? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gerald >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> well; >>>>>>>> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >>>>>>>> using word 2007, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >>>>>>>> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will >>>>>>>> see/hear, >>>>>>>> envelope. >>>>>>>> now, press enter. >>>>>>>> or, within the document, >>>>>>>> press, >>>>>>>> alt+m+e, >>>>>>>> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >>>>>>>> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> then after going to the menu, >>>>>>>> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >>>>>>>> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >>>>>>>> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the > shortcut >>>>>>>> keys. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the > ribbon >>>>>>>> menus >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word > 2007, >>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option > on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, > then >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing > Enter. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I > continue >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> tab >>>>>>>> from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never > encounter >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels > option >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option > magically >>>>>>>> appears. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why > doesn't >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do > you have >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And > navigating >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the > ribbon >>>>>>>> menus >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in > Windows 8? >>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> a whole other ball game altogether. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gerald >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>>>> well here's my take on the ribbons, >>>>>>>>> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >>>>>>>>> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >>>>>>>>> home, insert, page layout, etc, >>>>>>>>> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for > each >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> tabs. >>>>>>>>> to access the settings, use the tab key, >>>>>>>>> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >>>>>>>>> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of > the >>>>>>>>> ribbon, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> stay focused on the particular tab title. >>>>>>>>> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >>>>>>>>> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >>>>>>>>> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >>>>>>>>> word count, >>>>>>>>> spelling and grammar button, >>>>>>>>> etc, >>>>>>>>> also, >>>>>>>>> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >>>>>>>>> when you use the applications key in word. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of jim rawls >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >>>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please > send >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>> I just >>>>>>>>> plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know > how >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> Send >>>>>>>>> it to: >>>>>>>>> jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. >>>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Flor & All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a > little >>>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>>> called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more > simple >>>>>>>>> endeavor! >>>>>>>>> I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head > honcho >>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>> him >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you > all >>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: Flor Lynch >>>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing > with the >>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>> of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages >>>>>>>>> (ctrl+tab) >>>>>>>>> you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much > the same >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. > Now >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed > through >>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a > sub-or >>>>>>>>> lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons > are not >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many > things >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the structure and leave other things out. Another way to > regard >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may > recall >>>>>>>>> Excel >>>>>>>>> had plenty of those.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys > associated >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it > does >>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>> longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that > formerly >>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. > Things are >>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>> more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than > linear. >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net> >>>>>>>>> To: "Jaws-Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up >>>>>>>>>> frustrate >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial > that >>>>>>>>>> explains >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with > without >>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I > just >>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>> get the >>>>>>>>>> hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate > ribbons & I >>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>> it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I > would >>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>> like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating > them >>>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really > simple >>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>> I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons > crap! >>>>>>>>>> LOL, >>>>>>>>>> hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly >>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks much. >>>>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
