hello there; well I do understand what your saying; however, my only question is? why are you pressing enter on the mailings tab? once you've right arrow to mailings tab, just use the tab key? my only other thought would be, because your using an earlier version of jaws, I'm using jaws 15, I think I recall you saying your using jaws 9.
-----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an example of how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I have been using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word 2007, so I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to the Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings tab, the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are probably others just like it that I am not aware of. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > hello; > what happens if; > 1, you go to the ribbon menu, > > 2, right arrow to mailings tab, > > 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; > > also, have you tried the shortcut, > alt+m+e > so, alt+m=mailings, > e=envelope. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings tab > in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on is > Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing to > press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But > this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press > Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see > the > > juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy > way > > for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment > with > various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find > it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, > did > you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions of > Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with > the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular > feature like this make any sense? > > Gerald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> hello; >> >> well; >> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >> using word 2007, >> >> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, >> envelope. >> now, press enter. >> or, within the document, >> press, >> alt+m+e, >> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >> >> then after going to the menu, >> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus >> are >> >> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I >> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the >> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use >> right >> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The >> first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to >> tab >> from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the >> Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and >> then >> >> press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically >> appears. >> >> This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the >> Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to >> press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the >> ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus >> for >> Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This >> is >> a whole other ball game altogether. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> hello; >>> well here's my take on the ribbons, >>> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >>> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >>> home, insert, page layout, etc, >>> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of >>> the >>> tabs. >>> to access the settings, use the tab key, >>> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >>> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, >>> and >>> stay focused on the particular tab title. >>> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >>> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >>> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >>> word count, >>> spelling and grammar button, >>> etc, >>> also, >>> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >>> when you use the applications key in word. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of jim rawls >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to >>> me. >>> I just >>> plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use >>> it. >>> Send >>> it to: >>> jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. >>> Jim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Mike B. >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> Hi Flor & All, >>> >>> I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little >>> program >>> called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple >>> endeavor! >>> I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & let >>> him >>> >>> make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. >>> Take care. >>> Mike >>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Flor Lynch >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea >>> of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages (ctrl+tab) >>> you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as >>> them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you >>> have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through their >>> parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or >>> lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the >>> real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things in >>> the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them is >>> as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel >>> had plenty of those.) >>> >>> Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with >>> the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does take >>> longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly used to >>> be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are now >>> more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net> >>> To: "Jaws-Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM >>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up frustrate >>>> the >>>> hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that explains >>>> the >>>> ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without using >>>> the >>>> Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just can't >>>> get the >>>> hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I >>>> guess >>>> it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would >>>> really >>>> like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them down >>>> in >>>> simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple >>>> because >>>> I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! LOL, >>>> hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL >>>> >>>> So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly appreciated. >>>> Thanks much. >>>> Take care. >>>> Mike >>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
