Hello Gerald; well, glad it worked for you, you're problem/access to the ribbon menu, didn't sound right to me! so I had a hunch, to minimize the bribbon in my office program/word2007.
I was able to duplacate your findings, -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:44 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Wow, this worked! Now the ribbon menus seem to work the way they are supposed to. Now when I scroll to the Mailings tab and press tab once, I land on Envelopes. Thanks. Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > hello there; > > well, it sounds to me like your ribbon is minimized. > try opening word, > then use the keystroke, > ctrl+f1 key, > now, you should be able to use the menus. > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:55 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > If I arrow down from the Mailings tab in Word 2007, the first item I land > on > > is Microsoft Office Word Help,not Envelopes, just the same as if I had > pressed tab once. I'm telling you that the only way to reach the Envelopes > option from the Mailings tab is to first pressEnter, then press tab once > to > land on Labels and then Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow to land on > Envelopes. > It doesn't matterwhether I'm using JAWS 9 or JAWS 13, ribbon navigation > works the same way in both bersions. That's why the menu ribbons are so > widely despised: there is apparently no rhyme or reason to the way they > work, which can vary from computer to computer. > > Gerald > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve" <pipeguy...@gmail.com> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 9:45 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> That's because I don't think you are doing it correctly. >> >> In ribbons, there is vertical navigation. When you scroll to Mailings, >> don't press Enter. Arrow down. You should see two options then >> envelopes > >> and labels. >> >> If you want to address an envelope, select that. If you want to print a >> bunch of labels, select that and then go through the options. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimi...@verizon.net> >> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> >>> I just tried ribbon navigation using JAWS 13, and I get the same results >>> on the Word 2007 Mailings tab as with JAWS 9. If I scroll to the >>> Mailings tab, then press tab once, I hear Microsoft Office Word Help. >>> If > >>> I scroll to Mailings, press Enter and then press Tab once, I hear >>> Labels, > >>> just like wit JAWS 9. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. So >>> no matter what I do, Envelopes does not come up as the first option >>> under > >>> Mailings. Perhaps ribbon menus behave differently in XP than they do in >>> Windows 7 and 8. >>> >>> Gerald >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>>> hello there; >>>> >>>> well I do understand what your saying; >>>> however, my only question is? >>>> why are you pressing enter on the mailings tab? >>>> once you've right arrow to mailings tab, >>>> just use the tab key? >>>> my only other thought would be, because your using an earlier version >>>> of >>>> jaws, >>>> I'm using jaws 15, I think I recall you saying your using jaws 9. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:06 PM >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> >>>> Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an example >>>> of >>>> how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I have >>>> been >>>> >>>> using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word >>>> 2007, so >>>> >>>> I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to >>>> the >>>> Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings >>>> tab, >>>> the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press >>>> Shift-Tab, >>>> >>>> I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are >>>> probably others just like it that I am not aware of. >>>> >>>> Gerald >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> >>>>> hello; >>>>> what happens if; >>>>> 1, you go to the ribbon menu, >>>>> >>>>> 2, right arrow to mailings tab, >>>>> >>>>> 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; >>>>> >>>>> also, have you tried the shortcut, >>>>> alt+m+e >>>>> so, alt+m=mailings, >>>>> e=envelope. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM >>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings >>>>> tab >>>>> in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land >>>>> on > >>>>> is >>>>> Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by >>>>> continuing > >>>>> to >>>>> press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. >>>>> But >>>>> this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press >>>>> Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could >>>>> see >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no >>>>> easy >>>>> way >>>>> >>>>> for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment >>>>> with >>>>> various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to >>>>> find >>>>> it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the >>>>> way, >>>>> did >>>>> you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier >>>>> versions > >>>>> of >>>>> Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only >>>>> with >>>>> the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular >>>>> feature like this make any sense? >>>>> >>>>> Gerald >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> hello; >>>>>> >>>>>> well; >>>>>> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >>>>>> using word 2007, >>>>>> >>>>>> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >>>>>> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will >>>>>> see/hear, >>>>>> envelope. >>>>>> now, press enter. >>>>>> or, within the document, >>>>>> press, >>>>>> alt+m+e, >>>>>> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >>>>>> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >>>>>> >>>>>> then after going to the menu, >>>>>> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >>>>>> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >>>>>> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon >>>>>> menus >>>>>> are >>>>>> >>>>>> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, >>>>>> but I >>>>>> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the >>>>>> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use >>>>>> right >>>>>> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. >>>>>> The >>>>>> first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue >>>>>> to >>>>>> tab >>>>>> from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter >>>>>> the >>>>>> Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option >>>>>> and >>>>>> then >>>>>> >>>>>> press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically >>>>>> appears. >>>>>> >>>>>> This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't >>>>>> the >>>>>> Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have >>>>>> to >>>>>> press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating >>>>>> the >>>>>> ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon >>>>>> menus >>>>>> for >>>>>> Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? >>>>>> This >>>>>> is >>>>>> a whole other ball game altogether. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gerald >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>> well here's my take on the ribbons, >>>>>>> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >>>>>>> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >>>>>>> home, insert, page layout, etc, >>>>>>> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> tabs. >>>>>>> to access the settings, use the tab key, >>>>>>> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >>>>>>> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the >>>>>>> ribbon, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> stay focused on the particular tab title. >>>>>>> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >>>>>>> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >>>>>>> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >>>>>>> word count, >>>>>>> spelling and grammar button, >>>>>>> etc, >>>>>>> also, >>>>>>> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >>>>>>> when you use the applications key in word. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of jim rawls >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> I just >>>>>>> plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to >>>>>>> use >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Send >>>>>>> it to: >>>>>>> jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. >>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of >>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Flor & All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little >>>>>>> program >>>>>>> called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple >>>>>>> endeavor! >>>>>>> I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & >>>>>>> let >>>>>>> him >>>>>>> >>>>>>> make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all >>>>>>> again. >>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Flor Lynch >>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the >>>>>>> idea >>>>>>> of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages >>>>>>> (ctrl+tab) >>>>>>> you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or >>>>>>> lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall >>>>>>> Excel >>>>>>> had plenty of those.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does >>>>>>> take >>>>>>> longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly >>>>>>> used > >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net> >>>>>>> To: "Jaws-Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up >>>>>>>> frustrate >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that >>>>>>>> explains >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just >>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>> get the >>>>>>>> hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I >>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>> it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would >>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>> like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them >>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! >>>>>>>> LOL, >>>>>>>> hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly >>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>> Thanks much. >>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
