What's amazing to me is that my ribbon menus were apparently minimized from the get go when Office 2007 was originally installed on my system five years ago, and I simply didn't realize until now that they were not functioning correctly. Maybe a lot of other blind computer users also have their ribbon menus minimized/hidden, and so become frustrated trying to navigate the MS Word menus in their minimized format. I had no idea that Control-F1 is a toggle that hides or restores the ribbon menus because the tech guy from the rehab center who originally installed Office 2007 on my computer never mentioned it. If Mike D had not brought up the subject of ribbon navigation, I would have continued to grope around my Word 2007 menus the way they were, remaining ignorant that they were never in proper maximized ribbon format in the first place. Also, JAWS does not announce any change when you press Control-F1, so you really have no way of verifying whether the ribbon menus are minimized/hidden or maximized/restored. Very confusing.
Gerald----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Hello Gerald; well, glad it worked for you, you're problem/access to the ribbon menu, didn't sound right to me! so I had a hunch, to minimize the bribbon in my office program/word2007. I was able to duplacate your findings, -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:44 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Wow, this worked! Now the ribbon menus seem to work the way they are supposed to. Now when I scroll to the Mailings tab and press tab once, I land on Envelopes. Thanks. Gerald----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigationhello there; well, it sounds to me like your ribbon is minimized. try opening word, then use the keystroke, ctrl+f1 key, now, you should be able to use the menus. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:55 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation If I arrow down from the Mailings tab in Word 2007, the first item I land on is Microsoft Office Word Help,not Envelopes, just the same as if I hadpressed tab once. I'm telling you that the only way to reach the Envelopesoption from the Mailings tab is to first pressEnter, then press tab once to land on Labels and then Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow to land on Envelopes. It doesn't matterwhether I'm using JAWS 9 or JAWS 13, ribbon navigation works the same way in both bersions. That's why the menu ribbons are so widely despised: there is apparently no rhyme or reason to the way they work, which can vary from computer to computer. Gerald----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <pipeguy...@gmail.com>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons NavigationThat's because I don't think you are doing it correctly. In ribbons, there is vertical navigation. When you scroll to Mailings, don't press Enter. Arrow down. You should see two options then envelopesand labels. If you want to address an envelope, select that. If you want to print a bunch of labels, select that and then go through the options.----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimi...@verizon.net>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons NavigationI just tried ribbon navigation using JAWS 13, and I get the same resultson the Word 2007 Mailings tab as with JAWS 9. If I scroll to the Mailings tab, then press tab once, I hear Microsoft Office Word Help. IfI scroll to Mailings, press Enter and then press Tab once, I hear Labels,just like wit JAWS 9. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. So no matter what I do, Envelopes does not come up as the first option underMailings. Perhaps ribbon menus behave differently in XP than they do in Windows 7 and 8. Gerald----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigationhello there; well I do understand what your saying; however, my only question is? why are you pressing enter on the mailings tab? once you've right arrow to mailings tab, just use the tab key? my only other thought would be, because your using an earlier version of jaws, I'm using jaws 15, I think I recall you saying your using jaws 9. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons NavigationPlease don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an exampleofhow navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I havebeen using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word 2007, so I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to the Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings tab, the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are probably others just like it that I am not aware of. Gerald----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigationhello; what happens if; 1, you go to the ribbon menu, 2, right arrow to mailings tab, 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; also, have you tried the shortcut, alt+m+e so, alt+m=mailings, e=envelope. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons NavigationYour instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailingstab in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land onis Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuingto press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see the juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy wayfor a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experimentwith various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, did you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versionsof Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular feature like this make any sense? Gerald----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigationhello; well; if I were wanting to print out an envelope, using word 2007, 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, envelope. now, press enter. or, within the document, press, alt+m+e, you don't press enter on the mailings tab, however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, then after going to the menu, right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, now right arrow one time, you will see envelope.I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys.-----Original Message-----From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus are so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but Ican't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then useright arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and then press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically appears. This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus for Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This is a whole other ball game altogether. Gerald----- Original Message ----- From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigationhello; well here's my take on the ribbons, obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: home, insert, page layout, etc, the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the tabs. to access the settings, use the tab key, now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, and stay focused on the particular tab title. if you go to the top of the ribbon, now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, word count, spelling and grammar button, etc, also, keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, when you use the applications key in word. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]On Behalf Of jim rawls Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send itto me. I justplain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how touse it. Send it to: jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. Jim -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi Flor & All, I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little program called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple endeavor!I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho &let him make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool.----- Original Message ----- From: Flor LynchTo: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages (ctrl+tab) you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through their parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things inthe structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard themis as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel had plenty of those.) Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does take longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly usedto be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are now more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear.----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net>To: "Jaws-Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons NavigationHi All, I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up frustrate the hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that explains the ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without using the Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just can't get the hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I guess it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would really like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them down in simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple because I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly appreciated. Thanks much. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. 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