WoW! Rough day here, but let me try to find some common ground and clarify some points I am still at odds with. In order to do this I am really not trying to incite anymore animosity. The reason I got nvolved and took a stand was for the tone and and all knowing attitude of one who temporarily infuriated me. But just like in any dispute, let our cooler calmer heads prevail.
James Phillips wrote: What the Paletinians have done, with their suicide bombings etc is not the answer to their problems, pure and simple. ABSOLUTELY James. I think this is a point we can all agree on. This is a terrorist action and one of deperation, poorly misguided. This is where Palestine, clearly lacks leadership, and of the more moderate flavor. I know there are officials who are more moderate, but they have not been able to or have shyed away from coming to the forefront and leading. James wrote: ... my Grandma used to say there are two sides to every coin. And this was my original point as well. We can't discount the Palestinians right to exist without the opression they have faced, even prior to the suicide bombings. There must be a solution of inclusion rather than oppression and exclusion. Mack wrote: (and I am a bit confused, guess I never realized there were two of you, honestly). I apologize to most for getting involved in this latest bit of hogwash. I sincerely hope that you will always post your opinions. As with the different factions in the Middle East, we must keep a dialogue open. I DO learn a lot from all here and do try to understand each person's perspective. While I may disagree on some points, I do not think we were all that far apart. My fury came from one person, who rubbed me wrong. We may all have that one person here, but it does not mean we shold stop talking. I cam down as fast as I blow up, I really hate be confrontational, especially in a mean spirited way. Look out below my friend I am about to disagree with you again! ;-) Mack wrote: Most of the fault lies with the Arabs, you are right they don't want peace, they want Israel exterminated. While this may be true of certain factions, I think this blanket statement is what agitates this situation. You may not have meant "all" but it sounds like it. But maybe you did and that is your opinion. But that does then ring of bigotry. My sister-in-law and my beautiful niece and nephew are of Palestinian/Christian descent. Yes there are Christian Arabs. So saying all, when my sister-in-law, who is pretty conservative, hasn't a racist bone in her body is really unfair. Bree wrote: That is too simplistic and redneck to say all Arabs are evil. And I have not heard or seen written on this list, that anyone hates all Aabs or Palestinians for that matter. I think that by putting all the blame on one side and declaring all things that Israel has done correct, one poster here did insinuate as much. That is what set me off. It definitely struck a nerve with that tone. He did not try to dismeninate in any way that he was not talking about "all Arabs", and I do believe he was. But for the most part, I don't think anyone else has, or they took pains to be sure they were not misinterpreted. As some have taken issue with my friend Colin here, I found Laurent's post offensive and narrow-minded. It happens anytime someone is not 100% pro-Israel to the very sam degree he is. And I am pro-Israel. But it does not mean they are all knowing and perfect. Someone else suggested that the US listers take to questioning or disagreeing with the US government as well. Please know that I do. And I believe it is patriotic to do so. I have said as much many times here. But please let me save George Bush for another feast! Rosalie wrote: If the Palestinians could wipe out Israel in a day they would do so and call it a job well done. I pray this is not true, but I KNOW it is not true of ALL Palestinians or ALL Arabs. It may very well be true to "some extent" of a majority. Don't you think that Israel wishes the Palestinians would go away, or the Arabs. Too often in these times all over the world, too many people think like this, it is with great sorrow that I say as a whole the world has become sooo desensitized. Death too easy a choice, in our cities, our schools ... very sad. Colin wrote: Children on both sides of this conflict are being abused daily. They are being fed the hatred of the people bringing them up. This will result in adults who hate. And if you don't believe this just look at racism in America. Little by ittle we are getting there, but it takes a lot of rolling over and over again to shake out the hate and to educate. But even here it all starts on the homefront. I know first hand - I am a survivor and have recovered from my upbringing. As I stand back and look at all of these posts, I don't see one post that does not stand in support of Israel, nor in support of suicide bombings, I believe we are all closer to agreement than farther apart. Hopefully, someday soon the same will be true of the powers that be in the Midde East conflict. Good Night All. Peace, Susan NP: Night Ride Home Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
