Luis, I know I didn't mention it, but I'm referring to linux n00bs actually. There are plenty of knowlegdable windows and old school dos users who could easily get around a leaf box if they had the patients to set one up. I spent two days trying to get my leaf box to boot. The problem? CR+LFs in leaf.cfg. Not that I didn't know unix used LFs, I simply assumed that because syslinux.cfg didn't mind a CR+LF, why should leaf.cfg? -cpu
Luis.F.Correia wrote: >Hi! > >-----Original Message----- > >>From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: quarta-feira, 29 de Junho de 2005 5:26 >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! > > >>Hello Eric, >> >>I know these packages exist and it is easy to setup. But there are still > >too many steps envolved for the average >n00b. Consider for a moment, a >prospective user: one must first decide which packages to > >>use: >> >>dropbear/openssh? ipsec/openvpn? dhcpcd/dnsmasq? shorwall.lrp/iptables.lrp > >(confusing for those who don't [yet] > >>know shorewall is a highlevel frontend to iptablets) > > >I consider LEAF a professional grade router/firewall solution, not for the >average Joe User. >If all this is scary, use an hardware router, disable all logging on it (to >avoid crashes) and you will be mostly fine. I have been looking at some of >them lately and the quality of those products has improved a lot! > >>Once this is determined, one has to shuffle disks and type all those > >"strange/foreign" unix commands (4.3. Create >a bootable HD). Run syslinux, >copy/modify syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg. One simple typo and the system won't >boot. > >>Where to seek help; the leaf mailing list? I doubt it. This is too > >intimidating already. > >This mailing list is not intimidating, judging from the amount of docs we >have, we should expect that people would read them. Sometimes not even >README is read... > >>Anyhow, I guess what I'm really suggesting is to have a standard >>(8-12MB?) CF/HD image with the package-equivalent of say a snapgear or > >m0n0wall. Enough to boot a feature rich > >>leaf distro. -cpu > > >Not practical to do. >Even if you have a CF/HD image, most users will not be able to do anything >with it. Their problem is with Linux in general, not LEAF in particular. >I remember back in the LRP days, the complains we had about the >'idiot-images', they never seem to manage to make the users happy... > >The only thing I could possibly agree with you is the documentation, it is >way too technical for most users BUT, the answers are all there. > >Again, if this does seem way too complex, buy an hardware router. > >Luis Correia >Bering uClibc Team Member > >PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 >Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ------------------------------------------------------------------------ leaf-user mailing list: [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
