I have found that using the name of the town first more helpful as well as
avoiding confusion with towns named "St xxx", such as St Bees, Cumberland or St
Clement, Cornwall.
It is also much easier to sort (right-left, left-right). How I wish FindAGrave
would allow cemetery searches by town! Slogging through 350 St. Mary's
Church/Abbey/Priory/et alii, is more than tedious. It is so much easier to find
Prescot Church of St. Mary, Lancashire.
I make exceptions for cities such as London, for which I have scads of
churches, opting for St. Mary Magdalen, Milk St., London, St. Mary Magdalene,
Bermondsey, Southwark, St. Mary Woolchurch, London, St. Mary Woolnoth of the
Nativity, London, and St. Mary Overy Priory, Southwark, etc., for instance.
Cheers,
Carolyn
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
From: d...@btinternet.com
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:22:20 +0100
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy
Hi Linda,
I think someone else has mentioned that you should try and avoid the
4 units for a location. We like to keep things nice and complicated
here in the UK !!
If you know the name of the Church, then I would use, CHURCH NAME,
TOWN/VILLAGE, COUNTY, ENGLAND (OR WALES OR SCOTLAND). I don't add
United Kingdom as, to me, each of the Countries are separate
entities.
So, my baptism would be St. Nicholas,
Shepperton, Middlesex, England. If the
church was not shown then, Shepperton,
Middlesex, England Some places have
more than one church so you can't actually show the name
unless the record details it.
However, Counties changed over the course of time, so you need to be
sure that you are using the right one for the actual event you are
recording !! Shepperton was in Middlesex at the time of your Baptism
but then went to Surrey !! This link will show you some details -
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SRY/parishes
I would record the death event as Deptford, Kent, England if this is
what the record shows. There was no Civil Registration at this point
so you would not find a record for this anyway.
Civil Registration commenced in 1837 and there have been many, many
changes right up to the present day of the "Districts" and what is
included in them. GENUKI is a great site for picking this sort of
thing apart and this link will give you an idea of what you need to
be aware of when trying to ascertain locations -
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/
What I try and do is always add RD to the district name if the
record is a Civil Registration Birth, Death or Marriage. So, as an
example, Greenwich RD, London, England
In the above, there is NO town/village as you cannot really use
"London" as this could mean just about anything !! So you have
DISTRICT/COUNTY/COUNTRY
This link will show you what happened to Deptford over time -
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/greenwich.html
This link will allow you to download a list of place names and their
associated Registration Districts between 1837 and 1974 -
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/places/index.html
Hope this helps and doesn't confuse things even more !!
Chris S
On 12/04/2016 13:40, Linda Greethurst wrote:
This note pertains to a bit of history,
geography and using Legacy to enter the info. I want to
clearly designate the difference between the locations of
church events such as baptism and burial and the civil events
such as birth and death.
In the US we have city (or township if
referring to a farm), then county, then state, and then
country. For example I would enter: Des Moines, Polk County,
Iowa, USA. I use the word "County" as Des Moines city is not
in Des Moines county. The name of the church itself would go
into the notes under the baptism address, right?
But I am confused with English locations; and I
think I am mixing up church and civil juridictions. In
England, isn't a "parish" a larger area than just a church
building? Can there be more than one church/congregation
within a "parish" jurisdiction?
Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748
at St. Nicholas Parish, Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United
Kingdom.
That would be a church location for a church
function. But what would be the birth location if he were
born in Shepperton. He wasn't born in the church building
itself as far as I know. Do I use the jurisdiction of
"Hundred" (which I haven't really figured out yet). I don't
know if he was born in the village of Shepperton, or on a
rural residence.
Then he died in 1816 in Deptford, Kent, England
-so now I have just three places? Is there a smaller unit of
an address to pinpoint where Deptford is than just Kent?
Is "England" enough - properly? Do I need to
include "United Kingdom"? I do not use "USA" for pre 1776
events - that is not a proper location.
So the basic questions: What are the 4 crucial
"names" go into the four slots for the civil birth location?
What
"names" go into the four slots for the church baptism
location?
What
other "location" information would I need to include in the
notes section?
I am aware of the option to omit leading commas
for easier reading to the non-genealogist. And I know I can
use more than 4 slots, but then the sort order gets "out of
sorts". Thus, what are the 4 vital names.
Any suggestions or guidelines would be
helpful. Thank you in advance.
Linda
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