Robert wrote:
> "Ben Irvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in part:
>> "Our years of meddling around in Middle-Eastern affairs militarily, made
>> America a lighting-rod for all those that are devoutly Muslim. The Muslims
>> did not hit Mexico, or Japan, etc. (both have more infidels that the USA)."
>
> But they hit Indonesia, Spain, India, France, and Somalia.
Indonesia and Somalia are Muslim nations, and about 14%
of Indians are Muslims. Indonesia still has a few millions
infidels left for targets (mainly Hindu and Christian), and
India has over 800-million infidels (Hindu, Sikhs, Christians,
Buddhists, Janists, etc.). It should be remembered that Muslims
have been gleefully murdering infidels in Indonesia and India
ever since the Mohammedans first arrived in those nations.
Thus, this has little relationship to why America was hit on 9/11.
Spain was a special target for devout Muslims for a couple major
reasons. The government of Spain had supported our invasion
of Iraq, and had even sent a few thousand troops. That made them
a target for all practicing Muslims. Another problem with Spain is
that for hundreds of years during the Middle-Ages it was Muslim
controlled. Indeed, the last Islamic region of Spain was not liberated
until 1492 (the same time Columbus set sail to the New World).
All devout Muslims believe that any nation (region) that has ever once
been Muslim, should be reconquered. That reality makes Spain a
special target for Allah's legions. That is also why Muslims continually
attack Israel. It has nothing to do with the recently generate concept
of a Palestinian nation (generated after the 1967 Arab-Israeli War to appeal
to gullible Westerners), and everything to do with again forcing the area to
become Muslim.
France's problems have recently become similar to that of India. Because
of massive Muslim immigration, Muslim birth-rates, and the suicidal French
infidel birth-rates, nearly 10% of the French population are Muslims. That
percentage increases daily. In the under age 35 population (think: those
that take to the streets and commit terror), nearly 20% of Frenchmen
follow the Allah path. Most demographers feel that by the end of this century
France will be a leading Islamic nation (with nuclear weapons and state-of-
the-art missile delivery systems).
Sadly, crunching the demographic numbers, most of Europe will be Islam
by the end of the 21st Century. Italy's infidels have only a 1.3 birth rate,
and
it takes a 2.1 just to hold the population even. The Muslim birth-rate in most
of Europe is about 5.2; thus, by mid-century (2050) Muslims may be a majority
in Italy. One wonders when the Vatican will be turned into a Muslim super
Mosque as has been done in Constantinople and Jerusalem?
>> America has between 3 and 5 million Muslims, and the number is growing
>> rapidly. Contrary to what Republicrats like to babble, Osama et. al is not
>> a
>> radical Muslim that has hijacked a great religion. He is immensely popular
>> with most Muslims as he lives the Koran and Sharia law. Let's deal with
>> Islam here in America,
>
> How would you recommend it be dealt with? Should "we" (as indicated by "let
> us") infiltrate Islam by training clerics who will oppose that form of Islam
> which is a threat?
I would encourage that our government, and especially individual citizens,
to publicly condemn Islam devoutly followed. Islam like Nazism
and other ideologies is a political philosophy; however, unlike most
other political philosophies it is also a religion.
Some of the main Islamic areas to be condemned would be:
1. The supremacy nature of Islam.
Devout Muslims believe that they are superior to non-Muslims and
have an Allah given right to rule over infidels.
2. Dhimmitude and beheading areas of the Koran.
This is similar to number 1. Allah, through old Mohammad, said that
infidels of the book (mainly Christians and Jews) should be put into
dhimmi status (second class...near slavery) unless they converted to
Islam. Those not of the book (Hindu, Buddhist, Sikhs, Sun Dancers,
rock worshippers, atheists, etc.) that fail to convert, are to be killed
(beheaded, stoned to death, etc.).
3. Low status of women.
In Islamic courts it takes two women to equal the testimony of one man.
Women are considered a man's property under Islamic tradition, and are,
at best, second class in any devoutly Muslim society.
4. Lack of separation between church and state.
The Koran demands that the state and Islam be one.
5. The general barbaric primitive nature of Islam.
Islam was generated in a backwater area of the planet over
1400 years ago (Arabian peninsula) by near savage Arabs.
Even at that time the region was more barbaric and uncivilized
that most other areas of the world. Because the Koran is
considered to be the literal words of God (Allah) as given to
Mohammad, it cannot be modernized, or changed in any way.
The few that have attempted to at least bring Islam into the 17th
Century, and been condemned and usually murdered by other
Muslims for being heretics.
Muslims that will not compromise on at least the small list given above,
should be treated similarly to the way America treated activist Nazis between
December 1941 and May 1945 that desired to destroy our way of life.
BTW, Those that are Islamic apologists remind me of one of my favorite
quotes from ex-Muslim, Ibn al-Rawandi:
"Islam is in fact the last refuge for those conservative
western intellectuals who wish it were true that the
Renaissance, the Enlightenment, the Industrial
Revolution, the French Revolution, in short, 'the
modern world,' had never come about. Islam is,
indeed, the only remaining mental space in which
these events have not yet happened."
> "If you want real ID, a disarmed America, and buy in to the myth of radical
> Islam, support the little fascist from New York City."
>
> What's so vexing to me is how Giuliani has any significant following among
> libertarians. Considering as how he was the terror of Wall St., pot
> smokers, small biz, and dissenters in gen'l, it seems a huge price to pay
> for getting rid of squeegee artists and privatizing some real estate. I'm
> afraid many are superficially seizing on his rep as a "moderate Republican"
> or "social liberal", and don't realize that that just means he's anti-gun,
> pro gay privilege, and for the status quo re abortions. Doug, however,
> doesn't have that excuse.
Yes, next to John McCain, I consider Giuliani to be the most dangerous
man in America (note: I'm not counting Muslims :-). I would support
Hillary and even Obama over him; for, at least most Republicans tend
to act like Republicans when a Democrat is in the White House. Giuliani
is a statist that believes in the absolute power and control of the central
government.
>...Giuliani surfed down the wave of declining crime to get a rep as someone who
> tamed New Yorkers, carrying him to a 2nd term vs. weak opposition which
> somehow kept the gen'l election close anyway...He even formed a security
> consulting firm which went belly up when it became apparent he had no
> expertise on the subject...
>
> And now he's a GOP front runner on the basis of all that plus his coalescing
> the "dissent" vote on the GOP's national stage. While the mainstream of the
> GOP is divided among possible presidential contenders, he emerges as the
> "uniter" who may not agree with them on the issues but is considered a
> viable compromise who's not closely tied to the sinking ship of Bush or the
> Republican Congress of the past decade.
Giuliani's position on gun-control bothers me the most. If Islamic Jihad is for
real, which I truly believe, and is in an expansionist mode, which I also
think, the
last thing we need is either a disarmed America or severe restrictions put on
private firearms. I for one don't want to confront "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"
like happen recently in Salt Lake City (120-miles south of me) with a
flint-lock,
or other inappropriate firearm. His over-all statist command and control
philosophy
should be of concern to anyone even marginally libertarian; for, Guiliani is
about
as libertarian as a Mafia Don.
~ Ben_______________________________________________
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