I think many of us would like to see sustainable agriculture and humane treatment of food animals at prices affordable to all. At the moment this is not possible. I think it’s important that some food producers are trying to develop new methods, and it’s great that those who can afford it are supporting those producers. Especially when they are local, as having food produced close to where it’s consumed is better for all sorts of reasons. Others on tighter budgets may not be able to do this until the prices get more affordable, which hopefully they will in future if more of these methods are adopted by larger companies. I’m not sure what is snotty about any of this.
Leslie Turek Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon typos. > On Jul 15, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Mary Crowe <singri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well said Sara ! Exactly what I was thinking. > > Mary Crowe > >> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 11:25 PM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Cheryl, >> You should know that Codman, Drumlin, the Food Project and others in Lincoln >> are bringing food to families in need, both in Linocln and beyond. >> And those that can afford CCF prices also are asked to contribute to the >> Lincoln Food Pantry. >> Significant revenues are generated. >> >> It is nonsense to expect all vendors to be able to charge the same prices >> for different products produced, marketed and distributed in radically >> different ways. >> And has been said many times, the are many choices all around us-all within >> 10 miles. >> >> Yes, Lincoln has changed a lot over the 40 years I have been here. >> And I have been unhappy with some of it too. >> But, change is inevitable. >> None the less, there are still those who hold tightly to some solid core >> values that shaped us many years ago. >> And many of those values are at play today. >> >> We struggle with income inequality, systemic racism, and other issues that >> are part of the larger community outside our bounds. >> >> I am sorry that you interpret all this as “snotty.” >> It seems we can’t win for trying. >> >> Be the change you want to see. >> >> Sara >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, cob via Lincoln <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and >>> not, by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are, >>> questioning a cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested >>> and had chickens on Codman farm, 4 decades ago. He did not have the >>> stomach to kill chickens, so he opted out. >>> I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have no >>> choices, and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to >>> families,so they can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites.. >>> No need to respond, just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these >>> emails appear. Might be too late. >>> >>> Cheryl >>> In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>> samat...@gmail.com writes: >>> >>> If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at >>> websites, it is usually not hard to figure out. >>> >>> A casual Google search can show you images of organic “factory” farms. >>> Here is an article touting the qualities of just such a farm. >>> Judge for yourself. >>> And as for the difference in cost of a chicken raised in one of these >>> facilities and roaming around the Codman North fields…well, a picture says >>> a thousand words: >>> https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/ >>> >>> >>> Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers >>> and their products. >>> You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how they actually >>> grade, but the info is there. >>> https://www.cornucopia.org >>> >>> We are lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town >>> folks who, decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural >>> heritage and esp, and acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of >>> Codman Community Farm. >>> >>> Best, >>> Sara >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme <bmwkbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an >>> informed decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you! >>> —- >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden <sashagol...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an >>> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can >>> save a couple of bucks? Go ahead. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH <awhule...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless >>> chicken breasts: >>> Whole Foods 365 - >>> Tray $7.99 >>> Value pack $6.99 >>> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans - >>> Tray $12.99 >>> >>> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken? >>> >>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball <selene...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in >>> food and flower prices. They are a national chain. Codman and local >>> farmers have locally grown food. Farm staff need to be paid fairly for >>> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner <warneran...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment: my sister was up visiting >>> me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms. She looked at the >>> pricing, and was actually pretty shocked. The prices were so much higher >>> than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for >>> identical foods, including organic items. Her comment was "I guess I >>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all." Really gave me >>> pause.... >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson <s...@margaretolson.com> >>> wrote: >>> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops >>> in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices >>> to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost >>> exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s. >>> >>> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken, >>> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and >>> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO >>> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you >>> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland >>> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a >>> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better >>> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you >>> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid >>> anything except pasture raised chicken. >>> >>> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of >>> the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an >>> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building >>> like a clean room. >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society >>> <lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed! >>> >>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory farms, >>> will of course be cheaper. >>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper. >>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket, >>> Costco. >>> It is your choice. >>> >>> You get what you pay for. >>> >>> Sara >>> >>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec >>> > <gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Adam >>> > >>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable? >>> > -- >>> > The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> > Browse the archives at >>> > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> > Change your subscription settings at >>> > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anne Taubes Warner >>> warneran...@gmail.com >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sasha Golden >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >
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