As a migration tool it isn't even adequate as even a screwdriver can be used for multiple things whereas SAF is too limited and if it was intended as a migration vehicle to eventually get the site to a native z/VM it falls miserably short as with SAF active you can't do anything but SAF and Linux so you can't learn native z/VM.
At a minimum the SAF doc should indicate to first install z/VM and then install a 2nd z/VM under the first and to activate SAF there so that you have a real z/VM to learn with as you can't guarantee that there is an available LPAR to install z/VM in for experimentation. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead Kaiser Permanente Information Technology 25 N. Via Monte Ave Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) AIM: lbdyck Linux on 390 Port <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/14/2002 07:15:14 AM: > Lionel: > > SAF is a tool for customers migrating from VIF to z/VM. In that respect, > it meets its objectives (and apparently doesn't meet yours). I'm sorry, > but I think you're trying to use a screwdriver to remove a nail. > > Romney > > On Mon, 13 May 2002 19:58:12 -0700 Lionel Dyck said: > >My comments was based on how I would have architected SAF - I have no idea > >how SAF was actually architected but the results indicate to me that there > >was no extensive functionality/usability design effort for SAF > >architecture. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead > >Kaiser Permanente Information Technology > >25 N. Via Monte Ave > >Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 > > > >Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) > >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) > >AIM: lbdyck > > > > > > > >Romney White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent by: Linux on 390 Port <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >05/13/2002 05:27 PM > >Please respond to Linux on 390 Port > > > > > >To > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >cc > > > >bcc > > > >Subject > >Re: SAF in zVM V4R2 Express Installation > > > > > > > >Lionel: > > > >I think it's easy to say that SAF could eliminate its control of the > >directory but also trivial to construct a counterexample situation > >that would deliver you to the base VM tools rather rudely, with no way > >of going back. If you're right, an existence proof would be (a) easy > >and (b) incontrovertible proof. > > > >Romney > > > >On Mon, 13 May 2002 15:03:25 -0700 Lionel Dyck said: > >>Let me add that it wouldn't take much, imho, for IBM to make SAF > >>semi-usable. If they would remove the lock down on the user direct so > >>that one could add other vm guests (e.g. cms, perf monitor, ...) then it > >>would be nearly ok. > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead > >>Kaiser Permanente Information Technology > >>25 N. Via Monte Ave > >>Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 > >> > >>Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) > >>E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) > >>AIM: lbdyck > >> > >>Linux on 390 Port <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/13/2002 02:34:34 > >>PM: > >> > >>> Hank, > >>> > >>> You really don't want to try to manage your Linux/390 guests with SAF. > >>It > >>> wasn't meant for that, and IBM won't enhance it beyond its current > >>> functionality. It was intended solely for the purpose of migrating > >from > >>VIF > >>> to z/VM, and has caused Lionel Dyck an untold amount of grief whenever > >>he > >>> tries to push it beyond that. It's your choice, of course, but you can > >>burn > >>> a lot of time trying to get it to do what you need and it's not meant > >to > >>> provide. > >>> > >>> Mark Post > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Hank Calzaretta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:03 PM > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: SAF in zVM V4R2 Express Installation > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I've just installed zVM V4R2 using the "Express Installation Method". I > >>> would like to use the "System Administration Facility" (SAF) to manage > >>Linux > >>> instances. I sign on as MAINT and issue the command "VMADMCTL START" > >>and I > >>> get "Unknow CP/CMS Command". Is anyone aware of any special "LINKs" I > >>have > >>> to do to locate the VMADMCTL or VMADMIN commands? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance, > >>> Hank Calzaretta
