Hi Lional, Here's a suggestion for getting up and started quickly with VM. When you purchase it from IBM, get them to include Installation Services in the contract. This is usually doled out to the IBM Professional Services Division (or whatever name they are using these days.....) who in turn contract it out to VM consultants (like myself....:)).
IBM has traditionally (at least in the past) rolled professional services into the sales contract for this very reason - management won't pay for needed consulting services, but they'll take them "for free" from IBM as part of a larger sale. Michael Coffin, President MC Consulting Company, Inc. 57 Tamarack Drive Stoughton, Massachusetts 02072 (781) 344-9837 www.mccci.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Lionel Dyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SAF in zVM V4R2 Express Installation Alan - you are missing the point and I believe that Dave already mentioned some of the reasons but I will add mine. We are a OS/390 shop with ZERO VM skills. The distributed group does not want to learn z/VM for many reasons, among them are the lack of any usable intro/how-to documents to get started with - the existing pubs assume a firm foundation or knowledge gained from attending a class. The OS/390 sysprogs that are assigned to the z/VM + Linux world have this as just another assignment and thus do not have the time to become full fledged z/VM sysprogs and management does not want to hire a z/VM sysprog full time or contract for one. Management has been led to believe that z/VM+Linux is simple and it isn't. SAF was, supposedly like VIF, a simple to use tool but it was to limited to be helpful beyond some very basic functions. If you want z/VM+Linux to be successful you (IBM) need to publish a simple HowTo type document with step by step instructions, with explanation, for setting up and managing this new environment. Or you need to convince management that they need to train/hire/contract for z/VM skills and that they can't assume that the individual(s) will have time to do other z/OS activities if the z/VM+Linux environment is dynamic/active to any degree. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead Kaiser Permanente Information Technology 25 N. Via Monte Ave Walnut Creek, Ca 94598 Phone: (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address) AIM: lbdyck Linux on 390 Port <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/14/2002 09:10:00 AM: > On Tuesday, 05/14/2002 at 08:09 MST, Lionel Dyck > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > As a migration tool it isn't even adequate as even a screwdriver can be > > used for multiple things whereas SAF is too limited and if it was > intended > > as a migration vehicle to eventually get the site to a native z/VM > > it falls miserably short as with SAF active you can't do anything > > but SAF > and > > Linux so you can't learn native z/VM. > > > > At a minimum the SAF doc should indicate to first install z/VM and then > > install a 2nd z/VM under the first and to activate SAF there so that you > > have a real z/VM to learn with as you can't guarantee that there is > > an available LPAR to install z/VM in for experimentation. > > Lionel, the design point of SAF was compatibility with VIF. It > provides a > path so that that a VIF customer can migrate to z/VM *so they can stop > using the VIF command and use native VM functions instead. The whole idea > of a simplified VM command-line sysadmin interface has proved to be (IMO) > untenable. There are simply too many knobs, levers, bells, whistles, and > portals that have developed over the last 30 years to allow a > meaningful simplification of the magnitude imposed by SAF and VIF. > How does one create a 2nd level system without learning enough > directory management to > make SAF unnecessary? Chicken and the egg. > > z/VM 4.3 introduced the IP Configuration Wizard and an ifconfig > command to > handle TCP/IP stuff. DIRMAINT does the heavy lifting for directory > management. Those three things do most of what VIF/SAF did for you. > > Bottom line: The moment you decided that you needed to update the > directory for yourself, you outgrew SAF. We're pushing you out of the > nest. Fly and be free! :-) > > Alan Altmark > Sr. Software Engineer > IBM z/VM Development
