Linux-Advocacy Digest #861, Volume #31 Wed, 31 Jan 01 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions? ("Adam Warner")
Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions? (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Whistler predictions... (J Sloan)
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows (J Sloan)
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions? ("Adam Warner")
Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close! (J Sloan)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (J Sloan)
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows (Salvador Peralta)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (J Sloan)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions? ("Flacco")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (J Sloan)
Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux? (J Sloan)
Re: Progeny Debian... (John Travis)
Wow, an actual survey (Linux dissatisfactions and wish-lists) ("Flacco")
Security: Linux v. MS (Jim)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: GODDAMNED STINKING PIECE OF SHIT THOLEN ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (Charlie Ebert)
Re: List of companies using Linux (Charlie Ebert)
Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice (Adie)
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:13:49 +1200
Hi Flacco,
> MS, in its frenzy to control everything computing-related, will
undoubtedly
> start co-opting different elements of open-source without actually going
> open-source.
>
> Any predictions what kinds of OSS-like and Linux-like features / mind-sets
/
> attitudes we'll see MS adopting in this way, in a (hopefully futile)
attempt
> to head Linux off at the pass?
This is not a prediction: Microsoft desperately wants student mindshare and
to engender a feeling of community. To this end Microsoft has developed:
www.studentdev.org
They are trying roadshows, Win2k installfests, etc.
It took me a while to track down where I read about it but I finally
remembered: Advotago.
Here's the URL:
http://www.advogato.org/article/237.html
Regards,
Adam
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions?
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:16:55 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Flacco quoth:
>
> MS, in its frenzy to control everything computing-related, will
> undoubtedly start co-opting different elements of open-source without
> actually going open-source.
Well for starters, they'll try to co-opt the name. eg., "open licensing"
which is not only a misnomer, but a clear attempt to capitalize on /
undercut the momentum and mind share of open source.
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:16:20 GMT
Nik Simpson wrote:
> "Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:957ho5$cs9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > It would take the same person the same 10 minutes to do the exact same
> > thing on a pre-installed linux system.
>
> I'm "the same person," I can assure you it would not take me "the exact same
> ten minutes," since I know Windows Internet "stuff" very well and have
> little expereince with setting up LINUX Internet stuff other than giving up
> in disgust with Redhat and ISDN a couple of years ago.
Shame - 10 minutes spent reading the install guide
and familiarizing yourself with the control panel might
have done wonders.
Back in the day when I had dialup, it was a 3 minute
point and click affair to get dialup configured with earthlink.
Now I have cable, and that was far easier.
> But as I said in another post, my
> time is very valuable to me
If your time were really that valuable, would you be
spending it trolling the Linux newsgroups? Lord knows
I would never have time to futz around with the windoze
newsgroups, and I don't even brag about how valuable
my time is...
> I can't get the packages she wants (i.e. Word) and I can't easily find
> drivers for her USB camera amongst other things, so don't give me that shit.
In other words, she demands windoze apps -
So let her run windoze, why are you here?
> What you fail to understand is that LINUX is primarily an option for the
> very computer literate hobbyist for whom LINUX is an end in itself. For the
> average Joe Schmoe who just wants to browse the net, send emal and use MS
> Office and maybe play a few games it simply is not there yet, and no amount
> of wishful thinking is going to change that.
The "average Joe Schmoe" is not going to be some
flaming microsoft head who insists on ms word or else.
He'll be happy to browse the web and do email with
netscape, write papers and spreadsheets with star
office or whatever - he doesn't know or care about
your windows crusade.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:20:44 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> Uh huh. Talk to any ISP support technician. Ask them how easy it is
> to talk a computer-illiterate through network setup in Win9x or 2K.
OK...
> Now, ask them if they'd like to explain to that same person how to
> configure it in Linux. Watch them faint.
Faint? whatever for?
click on control panel
select interfaces
click on "add"
select type (ethernet, ppp, token ring)
choose protocol (bootp, dhcp, static addr)
enter ip info if applicable
click on "activate"
Look ma, no reboot! and I'm online!
I dare say the windows merry go round with
the searching for "drivers" and the reboots
ad nauseum would be much more tiring....
> It's really obvious, and it's just silly that you even make the assertion
> that Linux is just as easy to configure as Windows. It's really amusing.
Your ignorance is showing again chad, you have no
clue what you are talking about. It's very clear that you
are a windows maniac, and hate Linux, but other than
that, you have no qualifications and no credibility.
jjs
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:31:31 -0600
"Milton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Most of what .NET is, doesn't even involve the network.
> >>
> >> Do you realise how stupid that comment is?
> >>
> >> If the network (aka the internet or intranet) is down or inaccesable
> >> .NET is basically worthless.
> >
> >Completely false. That's like saying Java is useless without a network,
> >which is also completely false.
>
> Actually Java the languge is quite useful with or without a network.
> A javastation would be equally useless tho.
>
> Please enlighten me as to how I am supposed to accomplish anything if my
> application and data are stored on a remote server and the network is
> down or just as important if I receive a host address unknown error?
.NET provides many things, including a byte code language which is compiled
on the fly (ala SmallTalk). .NET also consists of a number of runtime
libraries, such as WinForms which provide a GUI interface for .NET programs.
.NET does not require, or even encourage it's useage over a network, just as
Java doesn't.
> Do you understand what .NET is and/or is supposed to do??
Yes, and while many services won't be available without a network, many
others still are. .NET is a comprehensive strategy, which includes local
only applications.
> It does this by joining the tightly coupled, highly productive aspects
> of n-tier computing with the loosely coupled, message-oriented concepts
> of the Web. This style of computing is called Web services and
> represents the next evolution of application development. A Web service
> is an application that exposes its features programmatically over the
> Internet or intranet using standard Internet protocols like Hypertext
> Transfer Protocol (HTTP) and XML. It may be helpful to think of it as
> component-programming over the Web.
That's only a small part of what .NET is. While Web Services are a part of
.NET, .NET is not Web Services.
> It also depends on BASIC SERVICES like DNS.
>
> There's also a ton of other vaporware BS at:
> http://www.microsoft.com/net/
Hardly vaporware. I'm using the beta as we speak. You can too.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:26:48 +1200
Hi Salvador,
> Well for starters, they'll try to co-opt the name. eg., "open licensing"
> which is not only a misnomer, but a clear attempt to capitalize on /
> undercut the momentum and mind share of open source.
I see:
http://www.microsoft.com/DirectAccess/feature/99/1004.asp
Can you find one legitimate reason why the word "open" has been used?
Microsoft's first recommendation is to: "First, talk to your clients about
what licensing is and how it protects against piracy."
Having looked at the downloadable document I still cannot fathom why the
word "open" has been used. Not once does Microsoft explained its use of the
term.
You make a good point.
How about this as a counter to open source:
open binaries :-)
Regards,
Adam
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:32:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:28:40 -0600, Eric Sandeen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >The installer still has a few bugs (we prefer to spend our time
> >improving the filesystem, not the installer...) but in general it works
> >quite well, and it can make you a shiny new Linux box running completely
> >on XFS.
>
> It figures.
> Now I know why it is so difficult to reliably and consistently install
> programs under Linux.
No, the xfs beta is not meant for non-technical end users
such as flatfish - it was meant for techies, not whiners.
We'll let you know when it's included in a shrink wrapped
distribution.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:35:32 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:37:01 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
> > Hubs are bog standard devices. They work fine. You're
> > simply full of shit.
>
> Sure they are.
>
> It's the devices that don't work under Linsux <snicker>
>
flatfish is frantic with rage, and so he spews nonsense
as quicly as he can, not knowing of whence he speaks ,
or caring why....
jjs
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:41:18 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers quoth:
> It's really obvious, and it's just silly that you even make the assertion
> that Linux is just as easy to configure as Windows. It's really amusing.
...almost as amusing as watching you spin you baseless phantasies in an
attempt to scare new users away from a superior competitor. What's the
matter, Chad, did you buy MSFT at $100+/share?
The steps needed to get linux-mandrake working with networking, dialup, et
al, on a CD install
plug in cable to network card
< insert CD > follow directions
The steps needed to get networking up from DrakConf
plug in cable to network card
select network/internet connection
choose connection type
follow directions
You don't really think that your blatantly disingenuous style is doing
anything other than possibly bringing more people into the linux camp, do
you? You don't even have credibility left in nt advocacy group, much less
cola.
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Programmer/Analyst, Webmaster / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:42:01 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Actually, most Linux users are more technical than
> > the average windows user, and furthermore, most
> > Linux users were windows users at one time. So the
> > idea that a Linux user can't tell the difference between
> > 95 and nt is just plain silly.
>
> You'd be surprised. Many of your ilk post to this newsgroup and begin
> bashing WinNT and 2K for faults of 9x.
You know nothing of my ilk.
> We have to continually explain
> to them that, yes, NT/2K do have a fully 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking
> kernel and yes, they do have a fully virtualized memory space, and yes,
> they do have a full security implementation including process isolation,
> required user-logon and pervasive security checking at all levels just
> like in Unix, only better.
Not, not better than Unix - still trying to catch up.
Is it true that windows 2000 finally got filesystem quotas
somewhat similar to what Linux has had for years?
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:42:59 -0000
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:35:32 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:37:01 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>
>> > Hubs are bog standard devices. They work fine. You're
>> > simply full of shit.
>>
>> Sure they are.
>>
>> It's the devices that don't work under Linsux <snicker>
My hub has worked just fine in Linux from the very first
time I tried it. No futzing or finaegle was required. This
is even with year old dev kernels, nevermind Mandrake.
>>
>
>flatfish is frantic with rage, and so he spews nonsense
>as quicly as he can, not knowing of whence he speaks ,
>or caring why....
OTOH, he might be representing an interface converter
as a HUB (which it isn't). Those tend to be rather
proprietary. Win2K might even have problems with a few.
Did Logitech ever start supporting their USB webcams under NT5?
--
In general, Microsoft is in a position of EXTREME conflict of
interest being both primary supplier and primary competitor.
Their actions must be considered in that light. How some people
refuse to acknowledge this is confounding.
|||
/ | \
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:29:36 -0500
> This is not a prediction: Microsoft desperately wants student mindshare
and
> to engender a feeling of community.
Do you think it will work?
> To this end Microsoft has developed:
>
> www.studentdev.org
I noticed that the message boards on this site average less than one message
per day :-)
> They are trying roadshows, Win2k installfests, etc.
I've thought Linux install-fests, complete with an alternate hard drive to
boot off of available at cost, would be good.
> Here's the URL:
> http://www.advogato.org/article/237.html
Thanks.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:44:10 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> I'd use Linux for the same reasons but it lacks the things I need.
> KDE 2.1Beta has some of these features, but I can't install it due to a
> dependancy problem.
C'mon Pete, find some starving student, buy him a beer
to have him set it up for you - He'll have it up in 20 minutes.
Or look up the local LUG...
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:48:34 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> The topic, is someone stating that Linux is running on Cray supercomputers
> based on a link. The real fact is that it's not a Cray supercomputer, it's
> a Cray cluster of average computers.
Cray doesn't make "average computers" -
Just a thought...
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Progeny Debian...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:51:02 GMT
And Kyle Jacobs spoke unto the masses...
:Firstly, if you don't tell me, no one else will because this isn't going to
:survive past the "test".
:Secondly, are they dumping this fantastic premise (of Progeny Debian AS a
:distro) for their NOW technology (which sounds promising, and will hopefully
:have the polish not found in a Linux workstation)? I certainly hope not.
??? Erm..okay. And no to the later part. It will simply provide them with a
good platform for the project.
jt
**************************************
Progeny http://www.progenylinux.com/
**Debian GNU/Linux-> apt-get into it**
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wow, an actual survey (Linux dissatisfactions and wish-lists)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:54:35 -0500
Awhile back I posted a message asking if any marketing research had been
done on potential Linux users. I came across this in an Eazel
presentation - I thought it might be of interest to others:
What do you see as the three biggest problems with Linux? (choose three)
- 54% Configuring hardware/devices
- 38% User interface shortcomings
- 28% Installation/getting started with Linux
- 27% Finding the software that I need
- 26% Installing/adding software
- 24% Compatibility with Windows and/or Macintosh, generally
- 22% Compatibility with MS Office, specifically
- 16% Ongoing system maintenance
- 5% Lack of technical support
- 8% Other
Which three of these support services would be most useful to you?
(choose three)
- 48% One-click software installation
- 41% Software update notification
- 33% Automated system administration
- 31% Synchonization of multiple computing devices
- 29% Admin tools for multiple machines
- 22% Anonymous web surfing
- 15% Automated file backup
- 10% Online file storage and sharing
- 10% Live, person-to-person support
- 6% Other
I don't recall who they polled.
Basic hardware and software configuration appear to be the biggest
(perceived?) barriers. Maybe I'm lucky - other than the hellish (and still
unfinished) process of getting my Turtle Beach Pinnacle sound card to work,
all my other hardware has been pretty much auto-detected and set up.
I was surprised to find that software availability only rated 27%, and
compatibility with MS Office only rated 22%.
Multiple machine admin tools rated 29%, which seems to indicate a pretty
high percentage of systems admins in the sample.
Any other observations?
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Security: Linux v. MS
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:12:47 GMT
I seem to remember a web address that gave a compiled list of cracked sites
that were listed by OS. I didn't bookmark the site and want to send it to
a friend. Does anyone have that URL?
PS: This thread is not to start another flame war between MS and Linux
about security. I just need the URL.
Thanks,
Jim
--
Remove the 'x' to reply.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:12:42 +0200
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Your ideas concerning the X-box are intriguing. This leads me to
> > wonder... what happens when/if MS gets *really* desperate? Given the
> > ample evidence of their arrogance (Ballmer's public, virulent fits of
> > rage) and immaturity (Gate's whining petulance in his 1998 deposition),
> > could they attempt to do serious damage to the industry itself if things
> > get really tough for them? Sort of a "It's my ball and I'm taking it
> > home" mentality?
> >
> > Stay tuned.
> >
> > No matter how people (in this ng and others) hammer away at MS vs Linux,
> > you can't escape two fundamental truths:
> >
> > 1 - Both OS's do roughly the same thing
> >
> > 2 - One of them costs a shitload of money
> >
> > You can't compete with free. Netscape found that out. I can't wait to
> > see what MS will do about Linux.
>
> Simple. Windows *will* be free or it will die. Sooner or later this
> *will* happen. It may take 5, 25 or 50 years but it will come to
> pass.
That is largely what .NET is about.
The problem with OSes is that they are threatened by middle ware, take
Netscape's example, for instance, they attempted to create Netscape as a
platform on which applications will run, this way, you could replace the OS
underneat it without feeling it.
If Netscape would've succeeded in their move, they could've ruined Windows.
That is why IE is free & so good, MS fought for survival in this case, it's
unrecommended to be on the other side when MS thinks it's that seriously
threatened, they have more resources that almost anybody that you could
name.
MS realized that it would be too expensive to destroy everybody that was
thinking in Netscape's direction, so they decide to make the middle ware
themselves.
Now, MS prepare for losing the trial, as it seems now, there will be OS-MS,
and App-MS, .NET will save MS from the splint, by seperating the platform
that MS products are working on from the OS. .NET is considered middle-ware,
and as such, will go with the App-MS.
If MS wins the trial, no harm was done, if it loses, you could say the same,
the OS-MS will keep developing Win2k line, App-MS will develop for .NET,
which will happen to work best on Windows, if it will work on non-MS
platforms. (App-MS can make the arguement that it just doesn't pay off to
develop for *nix, because of the hate many in the *nix world feel for it,
and the resentment many there feel when they have to pay for their software,
will prevent the port from paying off).
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: GODDAMNED STINKING PIECE OF SHIT THOLEN
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:31:21 -0500
Marty wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Marty wrote:
> > >
> > > Edward Rosten wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "[Bad-Knees]" wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Can't we just all get along:)
> > > > >
> > > > > Unnecessary.
> > > >
> > > > Illogical.
> > >
> > > On what basis do you make this ridiculous claim?
> >
> > Tholen bought himself some pointy-green "Spock Ears" from some loser
> > at a Star Dreck convention.
>
> From where did he buy the "personality"?
Same place Ted Kennedy got his driver's license?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:45:23 GMT
In article <hkKd6.26856$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>
>So basically, you're attempting to take on the entire scientific
>community and the basis for every reasearch study going on in the
>western world, just because you can't accept that Linux just doesn't
>perform as well as other OSen?
>
>
>-Chad
>
>
If all those brain scientists would only listen to Chad!
We could move on from the H-bomb to the I-bomb, maybe
even the J-bomb by now!
Dammit!
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: List of companies using Linux
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:47:36 GMT
In article <H8Kd6.2040$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Harvey London wrote:
>I seem to remember seeing a list that someone compiled of companies that
>are using linux. It may have been in response to an artical on Linux Today
>or maybe Slashdot, but I thought it had a link to web site with the list. I
>know the list is getting longer everyday and I would like to show it to
>some people who still don't believe Linux is being used in the "real world".
>
>Any help is appreciated,
>Harvey
>
Perhaps we couldn't say this of *America and Canada* but in
the rest of the world, europe, South America, Asia, we see
growthrates of 120% all the way up to 2200% for Linux.
I really doubt there will be a corporate listing @ww anymore.
Speaking of corporations, Linux is experiencing some growth
here in the US this year.
Charlie
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From: Adie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:58:17 +0000
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:52:17 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:30:09 +0000, Adie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:47:11 -0000, "Joanna Jakus-Pol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>wrote:
>[deletia]
>>>>both
>>>> KDE and Gnome, and also netcfg....
>>>>
>>>> Show them that they can use other Office products instead of MS Office,
>>>> Show them Star Office, Abi-word (suite), K-Office etc
>>>
>>>and the last :
>>>
>>>TELL THEM THEY CAN COMPILE THE KERNEL!!!
>>>tell them how and that it is important and about main options
>>
>>Where can read about this in plain language?
>
> You really can't get much more plain than "do X and then
> click the checkboxes". All you really have to do is to
> be able to follow simple instructions.
And where can I find these "do X and then click the checkboxes" ?
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