On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 14:42 -0400, Chad Bailey wrote: > Just willing to contribute, if needed. What I can do to contribute > wont be known if I don't make it known heh.
Thanks > I didn't see how it would be applicable either, but like I said > before, just letting you guys know what I've got experience doing in > the event it does become useful. Sure it can't hurt. Now if you have access to equipment and the skills thats even better :) > Yea, I wouldn't have said this had I not realized the channel was > already recovered. Freenode isn't horrible, but i'm not real crazy > about it. It has become sort of the open source irc go to place (which > was the intent when creating it). When it was first created it was the > best of the best, now it's just another irc network that happens to > host open source software channels. What I mean by this is typically > the amount of bots, spam, netsplits, etc you see. None of that existed > while lilo was in control, I really don't understand how he managed to > do it so well, but he did. This was at a time when there were 30K+ > users as well, so it's not necessarily a load thing either. Sure there > are more like 80K now, but the problems began when lilo left. This is > only my opinion, I don't want to begin any type war with anyone who > likes freenode or their staff. Allot of people he worked with are still running freenode. > Wouldn't have mentioned it had I realized the channel was already > recovered. I also don't see the need for creating one. Should it ever > become necessary I've ran many ircd's before. It's not bad so long as > you dont get punks with botnets trying to screw with you. Typically > not an issue unless it's a larger network. Having said that, I dont > see the need for having to maintain an ircd when we can use existing > irc networks. Its exactly the punks I haven't time to deal with or even open myself up to that sort of abuse. Leave that others at least for now. > >> I'm not > >> real crazy about freenode once they lost lilo. Lots of people thought > >> lilo was a bad person because of his donation spending habits, but I > >> have never met a better IRC administrator, ever. > > > > Pretty sure he passed away no? Can't really fault them for that ;) > > > > Yes, he was hit by a car unfortunately. He apparently mismanaged the > funds donated which has left a bitter taste for many people. Its not the first or last time. The Gentoo Foundation has done the same. There is between $20k-$50k of funds missing. I was trying to discuss that with current trustees. But everyone is so keen on back patting, when the job has not been done, much less done well. They are so fearful to change the status quo. Its rather unfortunate, that this is a recurring thing with non profit foundations. > I'm not > bitter about it, think he did an awesome job myself. Any time I had an > issue I could send him a message directly and he usually responded > very quickly. Not many people share my thoughts on that unfortunately. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't the only one either ;) > Agree or disagree with his raise for funds, having him as a full time > administrator of the network made it flow better than *any* irc > network i've ever been on. > > Here's a wikipedia article outlining some more information. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Levin > > And this linked article shows the negative attitude people had towards him. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net/ > > Granted all of the information in the article may be true, the way it > was presented was very derogatory and I believe was one of many > contributers to people not liking lilo that knew nothing about him. I have been subject to the same for my criticism of aspect of how the Gentoo Foundation has been mismanaged and neglected. At times it really seems like the movie Idocracy is a documentary on the current state of things. Its quite sad, people judge on the surface without really understanding the details. > It's been about 5 years since he passed. I'm not real sure how it's > ran right now to be honest. I'm glad freenode is still around giving a > place for open source projects to congregate. Not that the place is > horrible or anything, just the administration is not nearly the > caliber it used to be (in my opinion). Well that happens with entities such as that. Really unless people are paid, at some point neglect will occur. Takes money to put food on the table :) > Hah, good point. I will make an attempt to continue to make it to > meetings but do have some adjustment coming up with moving and etc not > looking forward to it. We will see you when ever you can make it out. In the mean time, the list is always here 24/7 and same with the IRC channel :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-list&r=1&w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml Unsubscribe [email protected]
