On Saturday 09 April 2005 13:38, Ronny wrote: > Hi Henry ISP's these days can give you all what you want as long as you > got the Dimes ask how much Campus(MUK ) is getting I wonder what they > use it for :-D .With these new cheap WAN tech mushrooming up .Give it 1 > year you will have 128K+ at 200K a month. > We pray our Telecoms cut thier > prices for the pipes leave alone the internet Bandwidth.Question who of > the Telecoms offers xDSL services in UG?
Service uptake will be largely determined by which type of WAN technology is deployed and how much the CPE will cost. Traditional WAN services, i.e., PPP, HDLC, e.t.c, are largely expensive because of the way bandwidth is used by customers (frame relay somewhat mitigates that, but not well enough for average Joe). Needless to say, typical CPE for such technologies is too pricey, e.g., if wireless gear cost much less than it did today, more and more people would sign on - but while the investment in a wireless backbone might not be considerable given expected ROI, the cost of the CPE is still the killer. DSL is expensive for telcos to deploy, as it's volume dependent, very distance sensitive and has to work around legacy telephone network issues, e.g., load coils, oxidized lines, congested backhauls, e.t.c. However, it's very popular not only because of the typical business model applied by all broadband ISP's, but also because CPE that can offer up to 10Mbps of WAN connectivity is cheaper than the cheapest Cisco router and good for DYI. Mark. > Ronny > > henry wrote: > >No worries kurup > >theres no legal angle to it > >besides as far as ISP loyalty is concerned > >We nether face east nor west > >we consumers face forward > >gud de > > > >Hmk > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Hari Kurup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:11 AM > >Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB > > > >>Henry, maybe I needed to have put a disclaimer: Any opinions expressed > >>or implied by me do not neessarily reflect the views of Infocom or its > >>management. > >>But that said, I have not seen anyone on this list from that ISP you are > >>on.... except for one sympathiser (names withheld). :-) > >>Have a nice weekend. > >> > >>Kurup > >> > >>Henry wrote: > >>>Ok I get it > >>>ISPs wont give us the broadband we want unless we justify the need to > > > >them > > > >>>They will even go so far as to tell us how much we can have and what we > >>>cannot afford ;-) > >>>Sounds a lil like the fixed lines of a utl a couple of years ago > >>>But all in good spirit > >>>I now realize it takes a combined effort from several players > >>>And that takes for a consumer "culture" to develop > >>> > >>>Enter the universities > >>>Put broadband at the universities ( there are so many nowadays!) > >>>They will want it for the rest of their working lives > >>>And a broadband culture will be born. > >>> > >>>Hmk > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Mark Tinka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 11:16 AM > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Cc: Henry > >>>Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB > >>> > >>>On Friday 08 April 2005 09:50, Henry wrote: > >>>>>And it is not cheap, even if it is local bandwidth. A reasonably clear > >>>> > >>>>audio stream (forget video) needs like 32Kbps for each person > >>>>streaming. > >>> > >>>Not necessarily, depends on what codec you use (which would depend on > > > >what > > > >>>hardware you use). In some cases, the right player can help a great > >>> deal. > >>> > >>>Quality is getting better with smaller pipes. > >>> > >>>>Ive learnt that Cheap is a relative term mfriend > >>>>The user decides which conveniences are worth paying for > >>>>Besides, you don't halt a project to build a 4 star hotel just because > >>>>there are cheaper alternatives ;-) > >>>> > >>>>>Who pays for it and why would someone pay anyway when he can pick it > >>>> > >>>>freely on his radio > >>>> > >>>>1- An available forum for specialized channels > >>>>Eg: click on a button and get a replay for the capital gang show you > >>> > >>>missed > >>> > >>>This is on demand content - which is how the Internet works today. A > > > >website > > > >>>will be there today, tomorrow and the next day, nothing new. > >>> > >>>Putting up the audio clip may not cost the radio stations much, > >>> depending > > > >on > > > >>>whether they are offering it as a download or a stream. Besides, lots of > >>>streaming/hosting companies in the developed world can offer you a T-1 > >>>connection for your content for less than $50/month. > >>> > >>>>2 - bcuz its there! Why shouldn't I use the company Bandwidth to view > >>> > >>>clips > >>> > >>>>of a local football match while the boss accesses footage of his > > > >marketing > > > >>>>seminars, ( while we work ) > >>> > >>>Because like Kurup said, it costs your company. If the game you missed > >>> is > > > >on > > > >>>an international server, your company (and your provider) have to expend > >>>expensive international capacity to bring the game to your PC. > >>> > >>>If the game were on a local server, well, that's another thing. > >>> > >>>ISP's are wary of "greedy customers", and may penalize your company on > > > >your > > > >>>behalf for abuse of service. But I digress... > >>> > >>>Mark. > >>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >>>> Behalf > >>> > >>>Of > >>> > >>>>Hari Kurup > >>>>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:58 AM > >>>>To: Linux Users Group Uganda > >>>>Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB > >>>> > >>>>On Apr 7, 2005, at 6:39 PM, Henry wrote: > >>>>>Isnt the onus on the providers to show the people what they can do > >>>>>with the > >>>>>service > >>>>>Way the mobile operators keep telling us how we can check for the > >>>>>weather > >>>>>and stuff on our fons? > >>>>> > >>>>>Eg: Don't you think radio/ tv operators would love for people to > >>>>> stream local talk shows onto their computers at home and office ? > >>>>>But who would dare to venture into such a "complex" process unless > >>>>>they had > >>>>>someone from MTN, infocom .. to hold their hand for the first few > >>>>>sessions > >>>> > >>>>They radio/tv operators certainly would be interested. > >>>>But as opposed to picking the signal off air with your TV or radio for > >>>>free, streaming requires bandwidth. > >>>>And it is not cheap, even if it is local bandwidth. A reasonably clear > >>>>audio stream (forget video) needs like 32Kbps for each person > >>>>streaming. > >>>>Who pays for it and why would someone pay anyway when he can pick it > >>>>freely on his radio. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Kurup > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>LUG mailing list > >>>>[email protected] > >>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>LUG mailing list > >>>>[email protected] > >>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>LUG mailing list > >>>[email protected] > >>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>LUG mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >LUG mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ _______________________________________________ LUG mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
