So true, great analogy. Regards,
-- Markus On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Sanga Collins wrote: > Hi Simon. > > I just executed this exact migration (a month or so from finalizing zentyal > slaves) to summarize the experience. > > Windows infrastructure is like a microwaveable tv dinner. Expensive but Put > it in for 7 minutes and you get a decent meal void of flavor and taste but > every time you do it it turns out pretty much the same. Linux infrastructure > is like cooking from scratch with cheap ingredients. Great cook a d u have a > great meal. Bad cook and it's a cluster-fck of useless stuff. > > Companies for the most part won't take chances on Linux and will opt for the > package deal. For them it's less risk and head ache. They don't give a hoot > if a good Linux admin can deliver the moon and stars for pennys on the dollar > if they feel risk of getting a sack of turd is equally high. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Simon Vass <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Zentyal or Zimbra over Exchange + AD any day of the week and twice on >> Sundays. In terms of sheer time spent administering each system, and >> therefore to me the TCO or TCA. I still administer both, even with >> Powershell which does at least allow the option of headless delivery for >> Windows and Exchange (wonder where they got that idea from). To the multi >> gig updates just to run the platform! >> >> Zentyal and Zimbra both do a great job of bringing together >> Postfix+Dovecot+WInterface+Database store+LDAP, Zentyal does without having >> to anywhere near a tarbell/deb file if you don't want. >> >> We do need to do a whole lot more to promote Linux both in the front and >> back office, far more people ask about and have heard of Linux than a few >> years ago. In my day dreams I imagine one day it might be fun to do some >> TV/Web programs around Linux, but so don't have the time. >> >> I see Albert Mucunguzi has a Tech spot on UBC maybe we could suggest sending >> our more smartly dressed members along to talk about free and open source >> software? >> >> >> Simon Vass >> Managing Director >> E-Tech Uganda Ltd >> >> http://www.etech.ug >> Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 >> email: [email protected] >> skype: e-techservicedesk >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Markus A. Wipfler" <[email protected]> >> To: "Uganda Linux User Group" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, 2 February, 2012 1:44:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? >> >> >> >> >> Mostly true. Windows is APITA and fugly. But seriously would you rather >> administer Active Dir + Exchange or try to move your whole Org to SAMBA + >> LDAP + courier/dovecot, etc…. Of course you could look at stuff like zimbra >> but if you want enterprise level functionality you will still have to pay >> for it. Also there is always the compatibility issue with legacy >> applications and windows only hardware drivers, not to mention staff >> retraining. >> >> >> >> >> I love linux and a great part of my work is spend in a terminal window but >> the average user will never even want to know what a tar ball is or how to >> apt-get install a bin, and why should they? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Markus >> >> >> On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:35 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >> You have to admit though, sometimes one really wants to do exactly that. :) >> >> Windows can be frustrating if one is used to something more... serviceable. >> >> >> Cavin Mugarura < [email protected] > wrote: >> >> When doing a migration you have to use your brain >> >> Not scorched earth policy, by dousing every computer with windows with >> gasoline and setting it ablaze >> >> >> T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network >> >> "Markus A. Wipfler" < [email protected] > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Interesting if you join a company you can convince them to migrate to >>>> Linux >>> >>> Why would you do that??? Imagine you are the new sys admin at xyz company >>> in charge of backend services running enterprise microsoft software like >>> Exchange, Active Directory, Sharepoint which are used by hundreds or >>> thousands of users. >>> Now since you love linux and believe that linux is like a super patch that >>> fixes any computer problem, you suggest to management that you want to >>> migrate all backend services to linux. I am not saying its impossible >> but is >> it feasible? You can drive your car with your feet but it does't necesarily >> make it a good idea. What I am saying is that just using Linux for Linux >> sake is plain stupid. >>> >>> Remember a couple of years ago Germany's government tried to make a switch >>> to Linux (backend + frontend) which sadly failed and now they are back to >>> running windows. The problem in their case basically boiled down to 3 >>> issues: >>> >>> - hardware support (too many printers, scanners, etc.. just didn't work >>> when they where plugged into linux desktops / laptops and the amount of >>> support and time required to make them work) >>> - interoperability (its hard migrating away from proprietary software, >>> especially Ms Office / Exchange combo) >>> - training and user adoption (reluctancy of staff to use new, unfamiliar >>> software, cost / time of training staff) >>> >>> As far as I can see the best chance linux (AND Linux Admins) have here in >>> Uganda is in the market of S >> oHo and >> SME's. Here Linux could be used as a cost effective and even superior >> alternative to propriatary software with a relatively low learning curve for >> end users. (Employes still use outlook, ms office but with linux backend, >> firewall, router, directory service, intra/extra net,etc…) >>> >>> IMHO Linux will always be a niche OS. Why blindly advocate it to everyone? >>> It reminds me of some saved people I know, who believe everyone else is >>> going straight to hell if you don't join them. LOL. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> Markus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> If you fail to do so, blame yourself >>>> >>>> In my local language there's a saying "bamusella omukatale yatongana >>>> noruguddo" literally translated as "he was charged high prices at the >>>> market and he is now quarrelling with the road >>>> >>>> If you are referring to job posting s advertising fo >> r >> Microsoft skills that's another issue >>>> >>>> This issue is actually a side show >>>> What is more important is to promote Linux on a bigger scale in >>>> government, schools, private sector and non profits >>>> >>>> Of course outfits like LUG have tried but with dismal results >>>> >>>> Sometime back I wrote how entities like LUG, IT companies can work >>>> together and promote Linux but I guess my proposal fell on deaf ears >>>> >>>> LUG meetup s are good but most times when I look at the agenda, it s not >>>> different from a pastor preaching to a choir >>>> >>>> >>>> "Stephen S. Musoke" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ronald, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You are wrong. Windows flourishes because it is already at the desktop, >>>>> so >>>>> is much easier to integrate at the Server end. >> Truth >> be told, Windows is >>>>> becoming better at the backend and is also very good at integrating with >>>>> Linux/Unix (MSFT/Novelle) partnership. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You will not find a truly homogenous environment, you will find Windows >>>>> for >>>>> File/Print/Active Directory and *nix at the database and application >>>>> server >>>>> levels, and in virtualized applicatons. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>> Of >>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:37 AM >>>>> To: Uganda Linux User Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> It would be be up to us interested in Linux administration to go out and >>>>> offer it as an alternative to Windows. Windows is flourishing due in part >>>>> to >>>>> ignorance about Linux technologies. If we pushed Linux harder into the >>>>> market, then the market would realize it's enormous advantage over >>>>> windows. >>>>> Sometimes the best products are ignored because not enough has been put >>>>> in >>>>> promoting them. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Robert Muwanga < [email protected] > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On a curious note, I have seen a lot of companies that utilise Microsoft >>>>> Server backend systems but unless it is the big telco boys (and banks) I >>>>> haven't heard of an interest in Linux for either backend or front end in >>>>> Uganda in particular. >>>>> >>>>> So, the >> question is, what's people's opinion with regards on the demand for >>>>> Linux in Uganda? is it rising? is it shrinking or stagnant? And in >>>>> effect, >>>>> what is the demand for Linux administrators in the country? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>> >>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] / >>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>> >>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted b >> y >> INFOCOM: >>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug / >>>>> >>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>>> attachments if any). 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