Dear Monica,
I have a few more sources listed for 4-course guitar with at least
Italian tablature, although possibly not all Italian:
B-Bc MS LIt. XY no. 24135 [1570-1580 (tablature section)]
(Italy?) [not in RISM; see TYLER p. 31]
4-course guitar in Italian tablature
GB-Lam Ms. 645 [1625 and 1650]
"Italian manuscript in tablature for 4-course chitarra (ca.1625) and
single line tablature (?for violin)" (Italy) [not in RISM; see TYLER p. 83]
4-course guitar in Italian tablature
Thomassini 1645
Thomassini, Filippo, publisher. Conserto vago di balletti, volte,
corrente, et gagliarde, con la loro canzone alla franzese nuovamente
posti in luce per sonare con liuto, tiorba, et *chitarrino a quatro
corde alla napolitana* insieme, o soli ad arbitrio, e diletto de'
virtuosi, et nobili professori, o studiosi dei questo instromento (Rome,
[Italy]: Filippo Thomassini)
8-course lute in Italian tablature
11-course theorbo in Italian tablature
4-course guitar in Italian tablature
I-Fn Ms. Magliabechiano, classe XIX, codice 28 [1667-1700]
[RISM B/VII p. 107]
4-course guitar in Italian tablature
I-Fn Ms. Magliabechiano, classe XIX, codice 29 [1667-1700]
[RISM B/VII p. 108]
4-course guitar in Italian tablature
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These last two depend on Boetticher for the instrumentation--and I fully
realize how dangerous that is! I assume he merely counted the number of
courses required in the tablature, but somehow he was unable to do even
that in other circumstances. And perhaps the others are not the "real"
4c guitar?
Gary
On 1/21/2013 8:54 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
Well - obviously the 4-course guitar was played in Spain although the
extent to which it was played in the contrapuntal manner suggested by
the few surviving pieces in Mudarra and Fuenllana is unknown.
The point which Meucci makes about Barberiis is that it is a bit odd
that a printed collection of lute music should include just four pieces
for an instrument of a different type. There are references to the
"chitarra" which clearly imply (if that's not a contradiction) that it
was a small lute.
The safest thing to say is that there is no surviving Italian repertoire
for the 4-course guitar.
Monica
----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Hodgson"
<hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "Lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:28 AM
Subject: [LUTE] 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto
Dear Monica,
You write 'There('s) no hard evidence that the 4-course guitar was
played in Italy' and, of course, you're quite right.
But it was played in Spain, then a major influence in all Hapsburg
lands and in some Italian states as well as Naples. So I don't see it
being played in the leading maritime centre of Venice as particularly
far-fetched. And I'm referring to the figure of eight shaped instrument
- I think we're in danger of going a bit too far down the invisible
path of supposing a mandora shaped guitar was the default.
regards
Martyn
--- On Mon, 21/1/13, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Calata de StrAmbotto
To: "Sean Smith" <lutesm...@mac.com>
Cc: "Lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Monday, 21 January, 2013, 10:38
I am afraid the pieces in Barberiis are probably not for the 4-course
guitar
but - as Stuart has kindly pointed out with the appropriate reference -
for
a small 4-course lute or mandora.
Renato Meucci, Da 'chitarra italiana' a 'chitarrone': una nuova
interpretazione; in Enrico Radesca da Foggia e il suo tempo Atti del
Convegno di studi, Foggia 7-8 Aprile 2000, pp. 30 - 57.
There is a case to be made that this music by Bareriis isn't for
figure-of-eight 'normal'-if-tiny 'Spanish guitar but for a small
gittern/mandore-type instrument.
There no hard evidence that the 4-course guitar was played in Italy.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Smith" <[1]lutesm...@mac.com>
To: "lute" <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:51 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Calata de StrAmbotto
>
> Thanks for the reminder, Arthur. I knew about these but had forgotten
them
> (too). It is more support that the little guitar was being played and
even
> written for.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Arthur Ness wrote:
>
> The link is at the very bttom.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Ness"
<[3]arthurjn...@verizon.net>
> To: "Monica Hall" <[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; "Sean Smith"
> <[5]lutesm...@mac.com>
> Cc: "Lutelist" <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:21 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Calata de StrAmbotto
>
>
>> Monica surely has simply forgotten about these Italian guitar
pieces.
>> Just four pieces in a century is virtually the same as saying there
are
>> no pieces.<g>:
>> See [1][7]http://purl.org/rism/BI/1549/39 Sigs, Gg24v-Hh1v (last
two
>> pages)<<<snip>>>
>> References
>> 1. [8]http://purl.org/rism/BI/1549/39
>> 2. mailto:[9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
>> 3. mailto:[10]lutesm...@mac.com
>> 4. mailto:[11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
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>> 6. mailto:[13]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>> 7. mailto:[14]lutesm...@mac.com
>> 8. mailto:[15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>> 9. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>
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