Corbetta didn't have to pay his musicians out of his own pocket - that's just
another myth. The relevant source states that
Every foreign musician who performed at court in Turin was given 500 Thlr. and
Madame Royale wished to show her generosity by not withholding anything [from
Signor Corbetta].
Madame Royale was the mother of Victor Amadeus, the ruler of Savoy at the time
when Corbetta visited the town to perform.
We don't actually know whether De Visee played with his nails.
Monica
> On 07 May 2019 at 22:20 magnus andersson <maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Dear collective wisdom,
> From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been around
> since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini, Corbetta
> (who we know had
> to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still pay his
> fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visée had found
> a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing their
> strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>
> "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and cleanly; In
> the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto, like
> pearl[s]"
> /Magnus
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
> <john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
> Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good nail
> polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I would
> love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope
> lenses
> and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The chamois
> stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much better
> in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among those
> who
> play with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
> <[1][1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
> wrote:
> Hahahaha good point!
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to remember
> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years to
> polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
> ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
> <[2][2]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
> Dear All:
> Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build
> lutes and
> craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file
> and
> polish
> their nails.
> Jim Stimson
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: John Mardinly <[3][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Roland Hayes <[4][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Cc: Lute List <[5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
> More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
> modern
> files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared
> nails give
> a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher
> back
> in
> 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
> prepared
> his
> nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut
> slot in
> it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The
> nail was
> then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which
> acted as
> a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and
> the art
> of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
> microstructure,
> I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails
> that
> were
> quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> > On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
> <[6][6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
> understand,
> > but
> >
> > I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
> arrangements of
> > guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
> establish
> the
> use
> > of nails.
> >
> > And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
> played
> > theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
> arrive on
> the
> > scene.
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