Very similar to what Segovia used, and certainly about the best there
was mid-20th century, but no comparison to 1500 grit 3M silicon carbide
papers.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
On May 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, M Del <[1]terli...@aol.com> wrote:
My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain taught his students to use
finely crushed pumice stone and leather from a deer (it happened to be
a piece from a hunter friend).Rolando was old enough to play on gut
strings until he came back from WW2.
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On May 7, 2019, at 5:20 PM, magnus andersson
<[2]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
Dear collective wisdom,
From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been around
since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini,
Corbetta
(who we know had
to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still pay
his
fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visée had
found
a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing
their
strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
"the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and
cleanly; In
the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto,
like
pearl[s]"
/Magnus
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
<[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good
nail
polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I
would
love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope
lenses
and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The
chamois
stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much
better
in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among
those
who
play with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
<[1][1][4]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
wrote:
Hahahaha good point!
To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to
remember
you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years
to
polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
<[2][2][5]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
Dear All:
Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to
build
lutes and
craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to
file
and
polish
their nails.
Jim Stimson
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From: John Mardinly <[3][3][6]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Roland Hayes <[4][4][7]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
Cc: Lute List <[5][5][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
modern
files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly
prepared
nails give
a terrible result for both sound and playability. My
teacher
back
in
1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
prepared
his
nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a
saw-cut
slot in
it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block.
The
nail was
then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot,
which
acted as
a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy
and
the art
of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
microstructure,
I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails
that
were
quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
<[6][6][9]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
wrote:
Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
understand,
but
I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
arrangements of
guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
establish
the
use
of nails.
And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
played
theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
arrive on
the
scene.
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