One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show where focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who can see the screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it can be hard to tell where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem with VO and you could even pull up the caption panel to make it even more clear what VO was just saying.
CB Michael Huckabay wrote: > Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you go > to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would hav to > get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer that > possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all you have > to do is turn vo on and your set. So if it was a differnt computer well you > would still be able to work with it. One other thing is if you had to help > some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You would have to put some > sort of speach software on it because you could help them. With a mac you > could sall the problem and then just turn vo off. > Just some of my thoughts on this. > Mike. > On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac and >> the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple Store, it >> also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any iPHone/iPod >> Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your library, your >> school, your university, your work etc etc have at their location. So, you >> are not forced to use only your own special edited and pre-installed PC at >> home or at work, with only one authorization available. You are free to use >> any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. If your unit is stolen, lost, >> broken or simply not where you currently are, there are always another one >> available. No re-installing, re-authorization, help to perform installation >> etc etc. That is a consept I like, and would like to benefit from. In >> addition, my Mac and iPHone is currently what makes me productive and able >> to run my business with success. NOt that I could not do just that with a >> PC, but not with that kind of freedom. >> >> Just my little point of view on this subject. Smiles. >> >> Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone! >> >> John André >> >> >> On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >> >> >>> I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not "I >>> still need help." >>> While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to >>> tell someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost >>> really doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple store. >>> >>> I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are some >>> things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we should be >>> looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather than saying >>> "You can use this in the store." Because in reality it doesn't really >>> matter to our productivity if it works off the shelf. While I think the >>> IPhone is great, as I said, I will be buying something that isn't an IPhone >>> because of it's voice active issues. Reading off a number while being with >>> someone if you want to three-way-call is quite annoying in its self, much >>> less having to make sure things are quiet. >>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Tyler, >>>> >>>> I do not understand your comment below. What does it talking out of the >>>> box have to do with whether you need help. I do not understand the >>>> connection. Can you elaborate? >>>> >>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't >>>>> get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help >>>>> with. >>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do >>>>>> believe it makes sense to let any and all know. Whether you like the >>>>>> iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact >>>>>> that finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a >>>>>> store and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a computer, >>>>>> iPhone, or iPod, and not have to purchase additional and expensive >>>>>> software makes a tremendous difference. >>>>>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other offerings >>>>>> by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a blind >>>>>> or visually impaired user honestly. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. >>>>>>> I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, >>>>>>> even if we had service for it where I'm at. >>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we >>>>>>>> need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The >>>>>>>> more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to >>>>>>>> continue support and development for Voice OVer. >>>>>>>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have >>>>>>>> it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software >>>>>>>> that makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is >>>>>>>> special software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I >>>>>>>> mention to people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great >>>>>>>> deal of satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well Jess, >>>>>>>> youre blind, so how the hell will you be able to use it? It's awesome >>>>>>>> that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to keep this trend up! >>>>>>>> Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, and longed for, access >>>>>>>> to something right out of the box, will soon be gone forever! And by >>>>>>>> the way, every time I try to convince someone that accessibility is a >>>>>>>> right and we have the right to have 100 percent access to everything >>>>>>>> we buy, that argument that we are to small of a market is always what >>>>>>>> I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I >>>>>>>> have never agreed with it and never will. 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