Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is good, which wasn't the point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that the mac would work from the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I didn't even buy it from a store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in screen reader support, but it seems we go over how amazing it is at least once or twice a week when someone else is converted. I love it's stability and security over windows. But the fact that I have to install a program really doesn't irc me all to much. It is a bit hard, but with things like NVDA I can walk up to a windows system and pop in a USB key and be read to roll. Sure it doesn't support everything, but it supports quite a bit to make it worth using. I do tech support and computer repair around the town I live in, and I've used this solution coupled with narrator many times to get me up and running on a system I'm fixing. Along with a set of programs I built for troubleshooting and cleaning up viruses and such, NVDA is amazing. Sadly though more and more people are buying macs, it's not a huge chunk of the market to the point where I can just walk to any computer and more than likely it'll be a mac. While there are macs out there, the whole "I can go anywhere and use it," doesn't exactly work, because there really aren't to many floating around. I believe that in order to be productive, we need to be able to use *any* computer, whether it be windows or mac, and even a linux system, though a portable linux reader doesn't currently exist to my knowledge.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show where > focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who can see the > screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it can be hard to tell > where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem with VO and you could even > pull up the caption panel to make it even more clear what VO was just saying. > > CB > > Michael Huckabay wrote: >> >> Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you go >> to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would hav to >> get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer that >> possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all you have >> to do is turn vo on and your set. So if it was a differnt computer well you >> would still be able to work with it. One other thing is if you had to help >> some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You would have to put some >> sort of speach software on it because you could help them. With a mac you >> could sall the problem and then just turn vo off. >> Just some of my thoughts on this. >> Mike. >> On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac >>> and the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple >>> Store, it also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any >>> iPHone/iPod Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your >>> library, your school, your university, your work etc etc have at their >>> location. So, you are not forced to use only your own special edited and >>> pre-installed PC at home or at work, with only one authorization available. >>> You are free to use any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. If your unit >>> is stolen, lost, broken or simply not where you currently are, there are >>> always another one available. No re-installing, re-authorization, help to >>> perform installation etc etc. That is a consept I like, and would like to >>> benefit from. In addition, my Mac and iPHone is currently what makes me >>> productive and able to run my business with success. NOt that I could not >>> do just that with a PC, but not wit >>> h that kind of freedom. >>> >>> Just my little point of view on this subject. Smiles. >>> >>> Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone! >>> >>> John André >>> >>> >>> On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not >>>> "I still need help." >>>> While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to >>>> tell someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost >>>> really doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple store. >>>> >>>> I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are some >>>> things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we should be >>>> looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather than saying >>>> "You can use this in the store." Because in reality it doesn't really >>>> matter to our productivity if it works off the shelf. While I think the >>>> IPhone is great, as I said, I will be buying something that isn't an >>>> IPhone because of it's voice active issues. Reading off a number while >>>> being with someone if you want to three-way-call is quite annoying in its >>>> self, much less having to make sure things are quiet. >>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Tyler, >>>>> >>>>> I do not understand your comment below. What does it talking out of the >>>>> box have to do with whether you need help. I do not understand the >>>>> connection. Can you elaborate? >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't >>>>>> get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs >>>>>> help with. >>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I >>>>>>> do believe it makes sense to let any and all know. Whether you like >>>>>>> the iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant. What is relevant is the >>>>>>> fact that finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go >>>>>>> into a store and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a >>>>>>> computer, iPhone, or iPod, and not have to purchase additional and >>>>>>> expensive software makes a tremendous difference. >>>>>>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other >>>>>>> offerings by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product >>>>>>> to a blind or visually impaired user honestly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. >>>>>>>> I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the >>>>>>>> iphone, even if we had service for it where I'm at. >>>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, >>>>>>>>> we need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. >>>>>>>>> The more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to >>>>>>>>> continue support and development for Voice OVer. >>>>>>>>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and >>>>>>>>> have it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special >>>>>>>>> software that makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, >>>>>>>>> this is special software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. >>>>>>>>> When I mention to people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a >>>>>>>>> great deal of satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well >>>>>>>>> Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be able to use it? It's >>>>>>>>> awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to keep this >>>>>>>>> trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, and longed >>>>>>>>> for, access to something right out of the box, will soon be gone >>>>>>>>> forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince someone that >>>>>>>>> accessibility is a right and we have the right to have 100 percent >>>>>>>>> access to everything we buy, that argument that we are to small of a >>>>>>>>> market is always what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that >>>>>>>>> argument to be void, and I have never agreed with >>>>>>>>> it and never will. 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