defending? YOur flippent I'm better than you so go away attitude really doesn't say much for your position. On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> Well whatever, because now your message isn't making a lot of sense. At this > rate your defending yourself way to hard, so lets just move along to a new > topic. We all know VO is great or we wouldn't be using it. I don't care about > JAWS WE, NDA, or whatever other flavor of WIndows screen reader you choose to > talk about. It all boils down to what works and how you go about it is what > matters and that was pretty much my point. > So, hey, go enjoy whatever machine/OS/screen reader. Have a great Holiday. > On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > >> Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is good, which wasn't >> the point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that the mac would work >> from the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I didn't even buy it from >> a store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in screen reader support, but it >> seems we go over how amazing it is at least once or twice a week when >> someone else is converted. I love it's stability and security over windows. >> But the fact that I have to install a program really doesn't irc me all to >> much. It is a bit hard, but with things like NVDA I can walk up to a windows >> system and pop in a USB key and be read to roll. Sure it doesn't support >> everything, but it supports quite a bit to make it worth using. I do tech >> support and computer repair around the town I live in, and I've used this >> solution coupled with narrator many times to get me up and running on a >> system I'm fixing. Along with a set of programs I built for troubleshooting >> and cleaning up viruses and such, NVDA is amazing. Sadly though more and >> more people are buying macs, it's not a huge chunk of the market to the >> point where I can just walk to any computer and more than likely it'll be a >> mac. While there are macs out there, the whole "I can go anywhere and use >> it," doesn't exactly work, because there really aren't to many floating >> around. I believe that in order to be productive, we need to be able to use >> *any* computer, whether it be windows or mac, and even a linux system, >> though a portable linux reader doesn't currently exist to my knowledge. >> >> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >>> One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show where >>> focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who can see the >>> screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it can be hard to >>> tell where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem with VO and you >>> could even pull up the caption panel to make it even more clear what VO was >>> just saying. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> Michael Huckabay wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you >>>> go to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would >>>> hav to get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer >>>> that possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all >>>> you have to do is turn vo on and your set. So if it was a differnt >>>> computer well you would still be able to work with it. One other thing is >>>> if you had to help some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You >>>> would have to put some sort of speach software on it because you could >>>> help them. With a mac you could sall the problem and then just turn vo off. >>>> Just some of my thoughts on this. >>>> Mike. >>>> On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac >>>>> and the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple >>>>> Store, it also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any >>>>> iPHone/iPod Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your >>>>> library, your school, your university, your work etc etc have at their >>>>> location. So, you are not forced to use only your own special edited and >>>>> pre-installed PC at home or at work, with only one authorization >>>>> available. You are free to use any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. >>>>> If your unit is stolen, lost, broken or simply not where you currently >>>>> are, there are always another one available. No re-installing, >>>>> re-authorization, help to perform installation etc etc. That is a consept >>>>> I like, and would like to benefit from. In addition, my Mac and iPHone is >>>>> currently what makes me productive and able to run my business with >>>>> success. NOt that I could not do just that with a PC, but not wit >>>>> h that kind of freedom. >>>>> >>>>> Just my little point of view on this subject. Smiles. >>>>> >>>>> Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone! >>>>> >>>>> John André >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not >>>>>> "I still need help." >>>>>> While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to >>>>>> tell someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost >>>>>> really doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple >>>>>> store. >>>>>> >>>>>> I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are >>>>>> some things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we >>>>>> should be looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather >>>>>> than saying "You can use this in the store." Because in reality it >>>>>> doesn't really matter to our productivity if it works off the shelf. >>>>>> While I think the IPhone is great, as I said, I will be buying something >>>>>> that isn't an IPhone because of it's voice active issues. Reading off a >>>>>> number while being with someone if you want to three-way-call is quite >>>>>> annoying in its self, much less having to make sure things are quiet. >>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tyler, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not understand your comment below. What does it talking out of >>>>>>> the box have to do with whether you need help. I do not understand the >>>>>>> connection. Can you elaborate? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. >>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it >>>>>>>> needs help with. >>>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I >>>>>>>>> do believe it makes sense to let any and all know. Whether you like >>>>>>>>> the iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant. What is relevant is the >>>>>>>>> fact that finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go >>>>>>>>> into a store and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a >>>>>>>>> computer, iPhone, or iPod, and not have to purchase additional and >>>>>>>>> expensive software makes a tremendous difference. >>>>>>>>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other >>>>>>>>> offerings by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product >>>>>>>>> to a blind or visually impaired user honestly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting >>>>>>>>>> rampage. I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like >>>>>>>>>> the iphone, even if we had service for it where I'm at. >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, >>>>>>>>>>> we need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. >>>>>>>>>>> The more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be >>>>>>>>>>> to continue support and development for Voice OVer. >>>>>>>>>>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and >>>>>>>>>>> have it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special >>>>>>>>>>> software that makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, >>>>>>>>>>> this is special software that reads aloud what you see on the >>>>>>>>>>> screen. When I mention to people that I am going to get the IPhone, >>>>>>>>>>> I feel a great deal of satisfaction that people don't look at me >>>>>>>>>>> and go, well Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be able to >>>>>>>>>>> use it? It's awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to >>>>>>>>>>> keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, >>>>>>>>>>> and longed for, access to something right out of the box, will soon >>>>>>>>>>> be gone forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince >>>>>>>>>>> someone that accessibility is a right and we have the right to have >>>>>>>>>>> 100 percent access to everything we buy, that argument that we are >>>>>>>>>>> to small of a market is always what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is >>>>>>>>>>> proving that argument to be void, and I have never agreed with >>>>>>>>>>> it and never will. 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