Riccardo,

Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel the method of 
selecting text within Safari is rather sloppy.  You can also navigate by line 
within iOS, so hoped that feature would come across to OS X.  Navigating by 
line is also useful when trying to read pages that have been styled into 
columns via CSS instead of a table.  This can be done in JAWS quite nicely.

Chris 
On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow.  That would 
> radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure it would be 
> for the better.  It would be selecting text easier though.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements.  I can't 
>> remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live without them.  
>> I did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature enhancements.
>> 
>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by  the pathetic 
>> slow buffering system voice over uses.  So I would like to see that 
>> rewritten from the ground up.  There are a few random performance bugs that 
>> happen now and then which require me to switch voice over off then back on 
>> again.  So overall performance could do with being improved.
>> 
>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when switching 
>> between tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not exactly helpful.  I 
>> would also like to navigate line by line just by pressing the down arrow or 
>> up key.  VO still needs a bit of work when reporting how many HMTL  elements 
>> are on a web page, some windows screen readers seem to find more tables and 
>> headings than VO,  especially in the buggy rotor.
>> 
>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, but I 
>> believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release (according to 
>> Apple's website).  
>> 
>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge update to 
>> iWork.  There just is not enough accessible productive software on the Mac.  
>> There is more to using a Mac than just Skype and Mail surely?
>> 
>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices where the 
>> pitch used to shift up and down randomly.  I stopped using those voices as 
>> it became too annoying.
>> 
>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary.  For example 
>> if you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters r and d, you 
>> get 3rd (three road), surely this should be a third?  So I think the ability 
>> to edit some of VO's assumptions would be nice, or maybe VO should grow up 
>> and become a tad more intelligent.  I would like more control over how VO 
>> reads out numbers too.
>> 
>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO calls an 
>> HTML area, as something else?  For example when using adium the chat window 
>> is called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or conversation window would 
>> be more meaningful.
>> 
>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the iTunes 
>> store.  The page takes a while to render.  Well actually visually it does 
>> not, but VO seems to think it does.  Actually come to mention it when VO 
>> says something is busy, a sighted person can still move the mouse and 
>> perform the action they require, it is just VO's buffer which is busy.
>> 
>> I spotted another bug today too.  When ordering a smart case for my iPad, VO 
>> was unable to read out the colour options.  When trying to select a colour, 
>> VO simply said "space radio button" for each of the 6 colours.  The work 
>> around seemed to be select a colour, go back to the top of the screen and 
>> read out the description to see if the default green had changed.  Or look 
>> in the basket and hope to god you have not selected pink.  I eventually 
>> performed this task via the Apple Store app on my iPhone which performed 
>> perfectly.
>> 
>> Chris 
>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would like 
>>> so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. 
>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many 
>>> enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like 
>>> fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. 
>>> I'll go 1st. 
>>> For me its safari. two things for me. 
>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket Voiceover 
>>> doesn't announce my list of headings or links that I have set in VO 
>>> utility. 
>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know when 
>>> the page is fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely "Voiceover 
>>> Busy!" Not! 
>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 
>>> 
>>> So what are yours? 
>>> 
>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested to see 
>>> what people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some good ones! 
>>> 
>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! LOL 
>>> 
>>> Daniel   
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