Hi,

I think work is being kind.  lol.  It sorted worked, some of the time.  I did 
actually figure out a way to get consistent results with that though.  But, 
there was so many steps, it wasn't really worth the trouble.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jul 2, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Matthew Campbell <wrestling.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.
> It worked that way in SL with Safari 5.0. As soon as 5.1 came out, that 
> ability broke.
> 
> On 2012-07-02, at 7:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow.  That would 
>> radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure it would be 
>> for the better.  It would be selecting text easier though.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements.  I can't 
>>> remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live without them.  
>>> I did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature enhancements.
>>> 
>>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by  the 
>>> pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses.  So I would like to see 
>>> that rewritten from the ground up.  There are a few random performance bugs 
>>> that happen now and then which require me to switch voice over off then 
>>> back on again.  So overall performance could do with being improved.
>>> 
>>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when switching 
>>> between tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not exactly helpful.  I 
>>> would also like to navigate line by line just by pressing the down arrow or 
>>> up key.  VO still needs a bit of work when reporting how many HMTL  
>>> elements are on a web page, some windows screen readers seem to find more 
>>> tables and headings than VO,  especially in the buggy rotor.
>>> 
>>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, but I 
>>> believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release (according to 
>>> Apple's website).  
>>> 
>>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge update to 
>>> iWork.  There just is not enough accessible productive software on the Mac. 
>>>  There is more to using a Mac than just Skype and Mail surely?
>>> 
>>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices where 
>>> the pitch used to shift up and down randomly.  I stopped using those voices 
>>> as it became too annoying.
>>> 
>>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary.  For example 
>>> if you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters r and d, you 
>>> get 3rd (three road), surely this should be a third?  So I think the 
>>> ability to edit some of VO's assumptions would be nice, or maybe VO should 
>>> grow up and become a tad more intelligent.  I would like more control over 
>>> how VO reads out numbers too.
>>> 
>>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO calls an 
>>> HTML area, as something else?  For example when using adium the chat window 
>>> is called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or conversation window would 
>>> be more meaningful.
>>> 
>>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the iTunes 
>>> store.  The page takes a while to render.  Well actually visually it does 
>>> not, but VO seems to think it does.  Actually come to mention it when VO 
>>> says something is busy, a sighted person can still move the mouse and 
>>> perform the action they require, it is just VO's buffer which is busy.
>>> 
>>> I spotted another bug today too.  When ordering a smart case for my iPad, 
>>> VO was unable to read out the colour options.  When trying to select a 
>>> colour, VO simply said "space radio button" for each of the 6 colours.  The 
>>> work around seemed to be select a colour, go back to the top of the screen 
>>> and read out the description to see if the default green had changed.  Or 
>>> look in the basket and hope to god you have not selected pink.  I 
>>> eventually performed this task via the Apple Store app on my iPhone which 
>>> performed perfectly.
>>> 
>>> Chris 
>>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would 
>>>> like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. 
>>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many 
>>>> enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like 
>>>> fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. 
>>>> I'll go 1st. 
>>>> For me its safari. two things for me. 
>>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket Voiceover 
>>>> doesn't announce my list of headings or links that I have set in VO 
>>>> utility. 
>>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know when 
>>>> the page is fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely "Voiceover 
>>>> Busy!" Not! 
>>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 
>>>> 
>>>> So what are yours? 
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested to see 
>>>> what people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some good ones! 
>>>> 
>>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! LOL 
>>>> 
>>>> Daniel   
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