eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using windows anymore there's something about the voice that I can listen to it and I don't get tired of it. I have a hearing impairment and find it is more clear understandable in words than these silly nuance voices. I don't want that to be offending to anyone who uses the nuance real speak voices but for me, I just don't understand them clearly, to slow no matter how much I speed them up I can't understand them when they are really fast anyway and lastly too slow even when I can follow them. Ohand caps lock gets my vote too. If the day comes where Apple have eloquence added to the list of VO voices, will be the day where I differently upgrade my OS!
How do others feel about eloquence being added? You got me started on this one! LOL Daniel On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:47, Chris Moore wrote: > I guess that makes sense. I suppose that is the charm of VO, it can be used > in so many different ways. > > If I am using my iMac, then I tend to use the numeric keypad., and if I am > using my iOS devices I use quick nav via a bluetooth keyboard, and when using > my Macbook I use the track pad. > > Caps lock gets my vote too then if anyone at Apple is listening. > > HOw about built in OCR anyone? or would anyone like to see eloquence added to > the voice list too? > > Chris > > > On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:18, Garth Humphreys wrote: > >> I prefer not to have to take my fingers off the home keys. It is not so much >> with the arrow keys that I would want to use the caps lock key but with the >> other vo commands. I can't help think that the caps lock key is a complete >> waste of prime keyboard real-estate, if you know what I mean. It is much >> more efficient to my way of thinking to just move your little finger to the >> caps lock key as compared to either removing your left or right hand from >> it's home keys to press the current VO modifiers. >> >> Garth >> iblindtech.com >> >> On 03/07/2012, at 8:39 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Well with any luck Apple may head in this direction, as they appear to have >>> got the message with iOS 6 that zoom and voice over at the same time would >>> be beneficial. If it was improved and there were better contrast colour >>> schemes, I may consider using it myself. I sometimes fire up ZoomText on >>> my work PC when using JAWS to sometimes find that button within a web page >>> that JAWS can't see or a dialog window that JAWS refuses to read. >>> >>> So where would you see using the caps lock over using quick nav? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Chris >>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 10:31, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>> >>>> There are a few bugs when zoomed to high levels, i.e., more than 14X or >>>> so. If you have VO running and zoom set to follow the keyboard focus you >>>> will find that the command tab to switch between apps becomes unreliable >>>> and navigating the menu bar with the arrow keys is also unreliable. Also I >>>> don't like the way it tracks and works with reading text. I'd like better >>>> colour options and keyboard commands to adjust them, or at least for the >>>> invert brightness keyboard command not to conflict with a Voice Over >>>> command. You would think that Apple would be able to sort out keyboard >>>> command conflicts between two of their own accessibility utilities. I am >>>> sure there are work arounds for some of these but a work around isn't the >>>> same as fixing the problem. For example the menu navigation issue I >>>> mentioned does not occur if you use swipes on the trackpad with trackpad >>>> commander to navigate the menu. It only happens with the arrow keys - >>>> strange but there you are. >>>> >>>> If I used it regularly I would probably come across more of the issues. It >>>> really doesn't seem to me that apple intended the two utilities to work >>>> together or at least that this was an edge case. It would seem to me that >>>> they expected people to use either option exclusively and if so, they are >>>> probably right. Most people probably do use one or the other. >>>> >>>> I'd also love to see the safari busy issue buried deep. >>>> >>>> The addition of the ability to set the caps lock key to act as the VO >>>> modifier would also be great. >>>> >>>> Garth >>>> iblindtech.com >>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:48 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> What improvements would you like fixed in particular when it comes to >>>>> zoom? >>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:44, Garth Humphreys wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom and just >>>>>> some improvements to Zoom in general. I mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac >>>>>> but this only because it is so poor when compared to things like >>>>>> ZoomText in the windows world. It is probably great if you don't need to >>>>>> use Voice Over or if you only need a little enlargement but it falls >>>>>> completely short for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Garth >>>>>> iblindtech.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On 03/07/2012, at 6:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Riccardo, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel the >>>>>>> method of selecting text within Safari is rather sloppy. You can also >>>>>>> navigate by line within iOS, so hoped that feature would come across to >>>>>>> OS X. Navigating by line is also useful when trying to read pages that >>>>>>> have been styled into columns via CSS instead of a table. This can be >>>>>>> done in JAWS quite nicely. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. That >>>>>>>> would radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure >>>>>>>> it would be for the better. It would be selecting text easier though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements. I >>>>>>>>> can't remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live >>>>>>>>> without them. I did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature >>>>>>>>> enhancements. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by the >>>>>>>>> pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses. So I would like to >>>>>>>>> see that rewritten from the ground up. There are a few random >>>>>>>>> performance bugs that happen now and then which require me to switch >>>>>>>>> voice over off then back on again. So overall performance could do >>>>>>>>> with being improved. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when >>>>>>>>> switching between tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not >>>>>>>>> exactly helpful. I would also like to navigate line by line just by >>>>>>>>> pressing the down arrow or up key. VO still needs a bit of work when >>>>>>>>> reporting how many HMTL elements are on a web page, some windows >>>>>>>>> screen readers seem to find more tables and headings than VO, >>>>>>>>> especially in the buggy rotor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, >>>>>>>>> but I believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release >>>>>>>>> (according to Apple's website). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge >>>>>>>>> update to iWork. There just is not enough accessible productive >>>>>>>>> software on the Mac. There is more to using a Mac than just Skype >>>>>>>>> and Mail surely? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices >>>>>>>>> where the pitch used to shift up and down randomly. I stopped using >>>>>>>>> those voices as it became too annoying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary. For >>>>>>>>> example if you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters >>>>>>>>> r and d, you get 3rd (three road), surely this should be a third? So >>>>>>>>> I think the ability to edit some of VO's assumptions would be nice, >>>>>>>>> or maybe VO should grow up and become a tad more intelligent. I >>>>>>>>> would like more control over how VO reads out numbers too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO >>>>>>>>> calls an HTML area, as something else? For example when using adium >>>>>>>>> the chat window is called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or >>>>>>>>> conversation window would be more meaningful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the >>>>>>>>> iTunes store. The page takes a while to render. Well actually >>>>>>>>> visually it does not, but VO seems to think it does. Actually come >>>>>>>>> to mention it when VO says something is busy, a sighted person can >>>>>>>>> still move the mouse and perform the action they require, it is just >>>>>>>>> VO's buffer which is busy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I spotted another bug today too. When ordering a smart case for my >>>>>>>>> iPad, VO was unable to read out the colour options. When trying to >>>>>>>>> select a colour, VO simply said "space radio button" for each of the >>>>>>>>> 6 colours. The work around seemed to be select a colour, go back to >>>>>>>>> the top of the screen and read out the description to see if the >>>>>>>>> default green had changed. Or look in the basket and hope to god you >>>>>>>>> have not selected pink. I eventually performed this task via the >>>>>>>>> Apple Store app on my iPhone which performed perfectly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they >>>>>>>>>> would like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. >>>>>>>>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not >>>>>>>>>> many enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would >>>>>>>>>> you like fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. >>>>>>>>>> I'll go 1st. >>>>>>>>>> For me its safari. two things for me. >>>>>>>>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket >>>>>>>>>> Voiceover doesn't announce my list of headings or links that I have >>>>>>>>>> set in VO utility. >>>>>>>>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know >>>>>>>>>> when the page is fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely >>>>>>>>>> "Voiceover Busy!" Not! >>>>>>>>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So what are yours? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested >>>>>>>>>> to see what people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some >>>>>>>>>> good ones! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! 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