Well said, Alex. Cheers, Donna On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all the > time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and still > don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to remember is > that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing and easy to > use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That is, if it > sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they have done > in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally accessible, then they > have every right to make the change. Just because it is different, or not as > easy to use at first glance, does not make it worse. For instance, one thing > people forget to use in the new App Store is heading navigation, which lets > you flick between the app and the selected information. You can also touch > the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left once, and there's your adjustable > picker of search results. Does Apple make mistakes? Yes, and plenty of them, > but they sell millions of units and are trying to please a huge range of > users. Do they make interfaces that are accessible but horrible to use? Yes > (Garageband, for instance - you can use it, but not efficiently). Overall, > though, they do their best, they have an amazing accessibility department, > and, remember, Voiceover is still younger than most of the screen readers out > there, yet it can easily compete with any of them. > On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem >> to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months >> back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I >> think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems >> using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you >> are not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, could it be user >> error? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: >> >>> Cheree Heppe here: >>> >>> No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store have >>> become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. This >>> doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are horizontal >>> rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters a slider or >>> something that when barely touched will shift the titles listings so that a >>> blind user has a hell of a time determining what the list actually contains. >>> >>> The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it >>> somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. >>> >>> The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or >>> whatever that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to >>> master. The earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so >>> well that it was easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so >>> on. I have barely used either the app store or IBooks store since these >>> limitations became part of the IOS. >>> >>> These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a >>> confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a >>> few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had >>> acquired my I-device recently. >>> >>> Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the >>> seriously broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never >>> experienced a computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Cheree Heppe >>> >>> >>> Sent from my IPhone 4S >>> >>> On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" <frequency...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the >>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. >>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. Of >>> course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth out. >>> The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. >>> >>> Blake >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: <jshandr...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! >>> >>>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! >>>> >>>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since release >>>> in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. However Apple >>>> has had so many issues. >>>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In the >>>> first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we didn't >>>> even have the ability to see ratings with the new software. >>>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search >>>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community. >>>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle. >>>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset. >>>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery issue, >>>> and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at >>>> schools. Individuals can bypass the no downloading option. >>>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to >>>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple >>>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling >>>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out >>>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened! >>>> >>>> J.P. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) > mehg...@gmail.com > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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