II do get what you mean here. although I do not see how the apps store is not accessible.
Sent from my iPod On 16/02/2013, at 8:56 AM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs > us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make > allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward > thinking? > > Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer > implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what > is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm > seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. > > The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. > > Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing the > contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest version of > accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing the access > couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. > > I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. > > My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into > that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be > compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the > Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. > > Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability > features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have > the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those > pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. > > Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how > accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the > accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of > other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that > somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and > judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. > > The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and > tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before the > new IOS iteration. > > So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand > through BookShare? > > Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic stride > toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a few and > maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality a bit > tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who really > know best how to care for and govern them. > > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > Well said, Alex. > Cheers, > Donna > On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all the >> time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and still >> don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to remember is >> that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing and easy to >> use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That is, if it >> sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they have done >> in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally accessible, then they >> have every right to make the change. Just because it is different, or not as >> easy to use at first glance, does not make it worse. For instance, one thing >> people forget to use in the new App Store is heading navigation, which lets >> you flick between the app and the selected information. You can also touch >> the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left once, and there's your >> adjustable picker of search results. Does Apple make mistakes? Yes, and >> plenty of them, but they sell millions of units and are trying to please a >> huge range of users. Do they make interfaces that are accessible but >> horrible to use? Yes (Garageband, for instance - you can use it, but not >> efficiently). Overall, though, they do their best, they have an amazing >> accessibility department, and, remember, Voiceover is still younger than >> most of the screen readers out there, yet it can easily compete with any of >> them. >> On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem >>> to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months >>> back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I >>> think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems >>> using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you >>> are not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, could it be user >>> error? >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Cheree Heppe here: >>>> >>>> No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store >>>> have become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. >>>> This doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are >>>> horizontal rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters >>>> a slider or something that when barely touched will shift the titles >>>> listings so that a blind user has a hell of a time determining what the >>>> list actually contains. >>>> >>>> The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it >>>> somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. >>>> >>>> The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or >>>> whatever that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to >>>> master. The earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so >>>> well that it was easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so >>>> on. I have barely used either the app store or IBooks store since these >>>> limitations became part of the IOS. >>>> >>>> These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a >>>> confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a >>>> few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had >>>> acquired my I-device recently. >>>> >>>> Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the >>>> seriously broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never >>>> experienced a computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Cheree Heppe >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my IPhone 4S >>>> >>>> On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" <frequency...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the >>>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. >>>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. >>>> Of course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth >>>> out. The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. >>>> >>>> Blake >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: <jshandr...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM >>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! >>>> >>>>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since >>>>> release in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. >>>>> However Apple has had so many issues. >>>>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In >>>>> the first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we >>>>> didn't even have the ability to see ratings with the new software. >>>>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search >>>>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community. >>>>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle. >>>>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset. >>>>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery >>>>> issue, and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at >>>>> schools. Individuals can bypass the no downloading option. >>>>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to >>>>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple >>>>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling >>>>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out >>>>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened! >>>>> >>>>> J.P. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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