I don't either, but then, I'm still relatively new and don't really know how it used to be. On 2013-02-16, at 7:10 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
> II do get what you mean here. although I do not see how the apps store is not > accessible. > > Sent from my iPod > > On 16/02/2013, at 8:56 AM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: > >> Cheree Heppe here: >> This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs >> us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make >> allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward >> thinking? >> >> Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer >> implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what >> is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm >> seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. >> >> The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. >> >> Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing >> the contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest >> version of accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing >> the access couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. >> >> I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. >> >> My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into >> that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be >> compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the >> Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. >> >> Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability >> features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have >> the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those >> pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. >> >> Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how >> accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the >> accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of >> other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that >> somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and >> judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. >> >> The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and >> tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before >> the new IOS iteration. >> >> So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand >> through BookShare? >> >> Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic >> stride toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a >> few and maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality >> a bit tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who >> really know best how to care for and govern them. >> >> >> Regards, >> Cheree Heppe >> >> >> >> Sent from my IPhone 4S >> >> On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Well said, Alex. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all >>> the time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and >>> still don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to >>> remember is that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing >>> and easy to use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That >>> is, if it sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they >>> have done in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally >>> accessible, then they have every right to make the change. Just because it >>> is different, or not as easy to use at first glance, does not make it >>> worse. For instance, one thing people forget to use in the new App Store is >>> heading navigation, which lets you flick between the app and the selected >>> information. You can also touch the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left >>> once, and there's your adjustable picker of search results. Does Apple make >>> mistakes? Yes, and plenty of them, but they sell millions of units and are >>> trying to please a huge range of users. Do they make interfaces that are >>> accessible but horrible to use? Yes (Garageband, for instance - you can use >>> it, but not efficiently). Overall, though, they do their best, they have an >>> amazing accessibility department, and, remember, Voiceover is still younger >>> than most of the screen readers out there, yet it can easily compete with >>> any of them. >>> On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These >>>> seem to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few >>>> months back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible >>>> issues. I think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had >>>> any problems using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not >>>> saying that you are not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, >>>> could it be user error? >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>> >>>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cheree Heppe here: >>>>> >>>>> No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store >>>>> have become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. >>>>> This doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are >>>>> horizontal rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters >>>>> a slider or something that when barely touched will shift the titles >>>>> listings so that a blind user has a hell of a time determining what the >>>>> list actually contains. >>>>> >>>>> The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it >>>>> somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. >>>>> >>>>> The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or >>>>> whatever that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to >>>>> master. The earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so >>>>> well that it was easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so >>>>> on. I have barely used either the app store or IBooks store since these >>>>> limitations became part of the IOS. >>>>> >>>>> These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a >>>>> confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only >>>>> a few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had >>>>> acquired my I-device recently. >>>>> >>>>> Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the >>>>> seriously broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never >>>>> experienced a computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Cheree Heppe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my IPhone 4S >>>>> >>>>> On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" <frequency...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the >>>>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. >>>>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. >>>>> Of course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth >>>>> out. The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. >>>>> >>>>> Blake >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: <jshandr...@gmail.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM >>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! >>>>> >>>>>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! >>>>>> >>>>>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since >>>>>> release in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. >>>>>> However Apple has had so many issues. >>>>>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In >>>>>> the first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we >>>>>> didn't even have the ability to see ratings with the new software. >>>>>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search >>>>>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community. >>>>>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle. >>>>>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset. >>>>>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery >>>>>> issue, and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like >>>>>> at schools. Individuals can bypass the no downloading option. >>>>>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to >>>>>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple >>>>>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling >>>>>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out >>>>>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened! >>>>>> >>>>>> J.P. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>> mehg...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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