As for "more room to organise", in my experience people get more active
during periods of 'further right' government. Governments of the 'centre
left', themselves further right than the right was 30 years ago, tend to
result in demobilisation. Certainly in NZ anyway.

Comradely,
John

On Sun, 6 Oct 2024, 08:06 sartesian via groups.io, <sartesian=
earthlink....@groups.io> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 10:05 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
>
> a) Is there a mass or even a small mass anticapitalist party which is
> drawing workers away from these parties?
>
> b) Does the other major party to their right represent a real threat to
> the historic democratic rights and social gains won by the working class?
>
> c) Is the party backed by the labour movement?
>
> d) Is there an organized left wing in the party opposed to the party
> leadership and direction?
>
>
>
> Well let's see re supporting Dems
>
> a) No
>
> b) No more than both parties have already demonstrated in the last fifty
> years.
>
> c) what labor movement?  The entire pretext for supporting Dems is that
> there is no labor movement to speak of.
>
> d) No
>
> Other considerations:
>
> a') Does supporting the "left-liberal party" afford a class-based
> opposition to the policies and  practices of the ruling class
>
> b') Does supporting the "LL party" provide effective resistance to the
> expansion of reactionary forces
>
> c') is the party connected  to the 90% of workers who are not unionized
>
> d') What are the prospects for a class-based opposition within the party.
>
> Of course none of the answers, or even the questions,  matter if
> "socialism is dead."
>
> 
>


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