> On Nov 28, 2025, at 18:21, David Walters via groups.io 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I may of brought the counter positioning of the pre-October Bolshevik Party 
> to the post-October Communist Party with him in a discussion at one point 
> discussing this with Mark on the phone.

Yes, that conversation helped shape my thoughts on this topic, which has been 
discussed much less on the list than I recall. Searching on "Zinovievism" I 
found a post by Dayne Goodwin (https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/21169) and 
another by Joseph Green (https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/865) on this 
topic. The first post reminded me what I said a few years ago about Leninism 
being so differently understood that debating it won't be so fruitful. But it's 
clear that it was the Comintern shaped how the national parties across the 
world understood Leninism and Bolshevism. I'll only add that James P Cannon mad 
good arguments against the demonization of Zinoviev, so maybe we should not 
burden his legacy with that term.

thanks, Mark



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