Micheal and Steven, these are very good ideas but I’m sure you both appreciate 
that the bourgeoisie will not allow the gradual and nonviolent introduction of 
almost all of these measures which fundamentally challenge its power and 
property. Most sympathetic liberal activists and working people like those 
supporting Mamdani consciously understand or intuit this reality and would balk 
at adopting your more radical program for this reason. I know I sound like the 
list’s resident defeatist, but I’m only reiterating that an essential 
precondition for socialism is the collapse of the capitalist system of 
production and distribution which forces the masses to take matters into their 
own hands, and that it's not possible to predict when these conditions might 
appear.


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