Ben said: How do you propose that a couple of hundred revolutionary marxists fight for a working class alternative?
What can a couple hundred capitalist do? Isn’t this what the shareholders of the top corporations looks like in terms of technical composition. Of course there capital is mobilized in the service of large scale industry but the technical composition is not different from a couple hundred interested parties. If the question is economic organization we can look at Spain and the Mondragon as an example of what a couple hundred interested and organized workers can do. We can no longer afford to take up amateurish positions in the face of a capitalist and proto-fascist political economy. Ben said: I advanced a proposal in my reply to Tom (ie: Democratic Algorithms [D15]) Any comment? Regarding your proposal for democratic algorithms. Enthusiasm is nice while not quite hot air it creates a climate of interest intrigue and deliberation. I followed the several infographics for pedagogical purposes I think visual aids are great in general. Specifically these visual aids are a tad bit confusing at times but amusing nonetheless. My favorite is the one that describes the transition from capitalism to a workers paradise; it correctly identifies how the popular struggles have never really advanced beyond the emergency transition period, that place were states fail to wither and working class movements degenerate into authoritarian rubbish. What concerns me about democratic algorithms is moreso what it is not rather than what it is. Mass dissemination of information is a feature of liberal democracy it is exemplified in the attempt at public education, by the corporate investment in the World Wide Web and now by big tech and the deployment of artificial intelligence. Googles page rank could be described as a democratic algorithm insofar as it aggregates several public information sources, promotes certain pages based on the feedback it receives from users clicking on pages and had a reputation score based on a website’s connection with other sites that have the most users. Under this definition Wikipedia itself could be considered a democratic algorithm. The question that eludes me is how this project is different from other archives that simply collects information and disseminates this information on a webpage. Is the types of information, the AWS storage, the radical journalist, or the fact that it uses the word algorithm really that unique? Technical questions aside how does this information create meaningful changes for your target audience I.e the Palestinian people When it comes to a Palestinian Media Army I would assume this would be created by the Palestinian people themselves or else we face the tragedy of speaking for others a pressing consideration at a time of disunified voices some from Hamas some from the fringes of the West Bank. If the words self determination fail to appear again I’m not sure whose interests would be served with such an endeavor. Finally there is a revolutionary usage of a democratic algorithm that I can think of but I will reserve my own judgment on the chance that I maybe overlooking critical details of your proposed plan. If you can help me understand the project better I would be more than happy to offer support Cheers, Ben > _._,_._,_ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#39752): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/39752 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/116740237/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
