Actually, William was painfully brilliant and barely likable through it. He was liked… I just had a problem with him. Yes he did drink... and other things I am not at liberty to discuss. He was brilliant, but not a free thinker in my view. Had too many chains.
Myself, I am not a fan of politics at all. You only begin to have free thought when you become more powerful than governments. Still, one must pause and take note when the world about us starts swirling in a flushing motion. I got mine... but danged if the fools aren't about to knock the world out from under it. Obama is just another fake politician. I knew many back when I knew Buckley. Can't trust any of them. Still, the respect and position that Obama has in the world view can go a very long way towards stabilizing many things right now… even in spite of himself. It isn’t the man who will make a difference. It is the icon. http://niggerwise.com On Nov 5, 4:57 pm, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 5, 12:19 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I knew William Buckley. I met Christopher many years ago. These folks > > are the kind of smart you here pretend to. The are proud elitists! > > I agree that Bill Buckley was an intellectual, but I don't think he > was very smart though he wasn't stupid. By your own definition of Free > Thinker (no drinking) Bill Buckley Could not have been a free thinker, > because I have read from good sources that he was a free drinker. > > Chris Buckley is another matter. Based on the movie, Thank You For > Smoking, I would say he is quite savy. Based on his breaking ranks and > endorsing BO, I would say he is probably very honest. Look where it is > getting him. By the way I don't thuink that BO is very honest, just > honest compared to todays politiicians, especially the neocons. > > > This SHOW has angered them. The Carl Roves will start losing the ear > > of the party. This is simple fact. > > The problem with the Repub party is that before they had the so called > "Moral Majority," they had lost most of their base and were an elitist > party. Then they came up with the southern strategy and bingo, they > were back in the game. Kevin Phillip's claims responsiblity for > creating this monster (the southern strategy), and he explains much of > what you are pointing to in his book American Theocracy. He also saw > the financial crisis. Phillips appears to be both a smart and decent > Republican. The folks who you deride as ignorant are needed to get > Republicans elected and have been since 1968 when they were first > mobilized. > > Another problem with the repub party is the Rockefeller, Dupont, Nazi, > CIA, George H W Bush thing. So get rid of the base and the big money > at the top and yes you have a few decent and intelligent folks. > > BY the way I am *NOT* a big fan of the Democrats either. It's just > that after W and Rove and Cheney got into power, the lesser of two > evils looked very good to me. > > On Nov 5, 12:19 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You, like Rove, have hockey team notions about politics. None of you > > seem to have a clue about the Republicans or politics. No party is one > > group. The Republicans lost primarily because of embarrassments > > generated by the ignorant base Palin was a play to. They will change ~ > > not in personal character ~ but who is listened to concerning > > strategy. > > > William F. Buckley is the greatest of all conservatives throughout the > > twentieth century. Those who associate with his ideas are the mind of > > the party (far more elitist than a black man being articulate). They > > are free thought advocates who see the party as being only about the > > market place and not about what one does in the bedroom. Republicans > > since Reagan have been drawing on the most ignorant base over issues > > like race and private issues. Two things are happening. That base is > > losing all on its own ~ slowly but certainly. The other far more > > significant factor is specific to this election. Palin and her > > blunders, plumbers that don't pay taxes, and crazy ladies that think a > > name makes you Muslim, have made the lot of them look like idiots. > > > I knew William Buckley. I met Christopher many years ago. These folks > > are the kind of smart you here pretend to. The are proud elitists! > > This SHOW has angered them. The Carl Roves will start losing the ear > > of the party. This is simple fact. > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > On Nov 5, 11:07 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I am not disputing the likelihood that the Republican party will try > > > to change; I am just suggesting that the change may be mostly or > > > perhaps even entirely a facade. > > > > On Nov 5, 10:26 am, "Jason (Memphis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Mike, > > > > > That is pretty much how politics has been: a party gets corrupt/ > > > > dishonest; it loses votes and politcal positions; then the party > > > > redefines itself. The democrats redefined themselves in some ways and > > > > got better under Bush. If you look at the democrats 50 years ago, > > > > that party looks a lot different. > > > > > Jason > > > > > On Nov 5, 7:45 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 5, 6:28 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > That is a childish conclusion. Things are no longer about how long > > > > > > any > > > > > > silly political party predominates. > > > > > > Tell that to the necons and others who have taken over the Republican > > > > > party. Above all else, it has been their goal to dominate. > > > > > > >This election, more than > > > > > > anything else, thankfully will force conservatives to redefine > > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > It is more likely that any redefination done by the so called > > > > > conservatives will be *ALL* about fooling the gulible into thinking > > > > > that they are out for them rather than becoming honest conservatives > > > > > who deserve a place in the policy debate. You can't fool all of the > > > > > people all of the time, but you can fool enough of the people enough > > > > > of the time to get elected. If it wasn't for the timing of the stock > > > > > market crash McCain may have won. This is not the old "straight talk" > > > > > McCain either (who really wasn't all that straight talking. The McCain > > > > > who ran against Obama is a sellout to the worst elements of his party. > > > > > And Sarah Palin is likely to be their future. > > > > > > I hope you are right BBDD, and the conservatives rethink their game, > > > > > moving in the direction of honesty. This would likley make the dems/ > > > > > libs more honest too. I hope your're right, but I'm not betting on > > > > > it! > > > > > > On Nov 5, 6:28 am, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > That is a childish conclusion. Things are no longer about how long > > > > > > any > > > > > > silly political party predominates. In a desperate world it is about > > > > > > what works beyond such considerations. This election, more than > > > > > > anything else, thankfully will force conservatives to redefine > > > > > > themselves. The situations created by Cheney/Bush rule and will for > > > > > > some time. NO ONE can just reverse what has been done world wide. > > > > > > What > > > > > > remains to be seen is whether Obama, even with the balance now in > > > > > > Congress, will be able to assist us in surviving what is already at > > > > > > play and defining the world. Even ending that ridiculous war cannot > > > > > > suddenly make the damage done by it go away. Far more than the > > > > > > support > > > > > > of both houses, what Obama has that will make a tremendous > > > > > > difference > > > > > > is the admiration of most of that world we screwed up. We are not a > > > > > > country anymore. No one is. Like it or not we are member nations. > > > > > > Now > > > > > > maybe we can be a beneficial member of that family. > > > > > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 5:21 am, "Jason (Memphis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > democrats hold the presidency, the house and the senate...when > > > > > > > clinton > > > > > > > and bush has this advantage, it didn't last their entire term.- > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Memphis Freethought Alliance" group. 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