Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.

If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html


Jaime


On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Jaime! I looked at a set on Stern's web site the other day and
> they were lots more. I haven't really done anything since then. Cosmetics
> are low on the list right now, I want to get all the mechanicals sorted
> first.
>
> Mitch, are the Hellas functionally the same? The Cibies do not come with
> lamps, but quality lamps are cheap. Just like you to come up with a cheaper
> alternative. Thank you!
>
> I've got everything necessary for relay upgrades, too. I was thinking
> about doing it on the W126, but the Euro headlights do such a great job I
> don't really feel the need to do relays on it so maybe I'll do them on the
> W123. And it's got the nice relay box on the inner fender that makes for a
> really clean installation, too.
>
> On a sort of related note, I was able to determine that the rockers are
> painted DB-129, which is a dark gray color. Again, this is low on the list,
> but is a cheap and easy thing that will really enhance the visuals of the
> car.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 17, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the
> Cibies were
> > $25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping.
> > E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a Saab
> 900 when
> > they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference.
> > Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On November 17, 2016 at 8:37 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Dan,
> >>
> >> 7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/
> B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479389808&sr=8-1&keywords=cibie+082440
> >>
> >> The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.
> >>
> >> Jaime
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jon,
> >>>
> >>> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I
> might
> >>> ask?
> >>>
> >>> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
> >>>
> >>> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but
> I've
> >>> used both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per
> >>> tank fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive,
> >>> around $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a
> buck
> >>> a tank.  I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is
> cheaper
> >>> than buying a case online.
> >>>
> >>> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
> >>>
> >>> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on
> the
> >>> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and
> there's
> >>> no dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying
> working
> >>> on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather
> than
> >>> avoid like with the W140s...
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne <jonag...@gwi.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Bravo!  I love days like that!
> >>>>
> >>>> There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123
> and
> >>> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri
> worked
> >>> some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the
> whole
> >>> car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in
> the
> >>> original color “Desert Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors
> >>> before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right
> rear
> >>> quarter, and the original paint was so thin you could see primer in
> places.
> >>>>
> >>>> I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on
> >>> the bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference.  Today, I’ll replace
> the
> >>> left fog light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.  The
> >>> windshield guy is also coming today to replace the original and the
> trunk
> >>> seal.  Yes, I have the MB seals….I learned that lesson a long time ago.
> >>> Thank you, Jaime.
> >>>>
> >>>> Later this week I’ll get the car fluid filmed (in all the right
> >>> places).  I used to do this, but my friend has a gun and shoots out of
> a
> >>> 5-gallon can with the car on a lift.  Painless!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Diesel Purge is great stuff.  I always fill the new fuel filter with
> it
> >>> because I never think to get diesel in advance of working on the car.
> >>>>
> >>>> It’s been warm so far this year, but cold is just around the corner.
> I
> >>> am going to prep small bottles of Howes Diesel Conditioner for winter
> use.
> >>> Thinking of switching to Stanadyne after this bottle is exhausted
> >>>>
> >>>> Happy Wrenching!
> >>>>
> >>>> Jon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Got home from work, took care of some domestic stuff, starting the
> oil
> >>> sucker before I began.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Changed oil (Delo 400 LE 15W40) and installed a Mann oil filter.
> There
> >>> was a spare Mann filter with the car, but when I took it out of the
> box and
> >>> inspected it the bottom rolled edge of the metal part was rusted or
> >>> corroded.  No way I was putting that into the engine, so my shelf spare
> >>> went in.  Always good to have a spare!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Removed the air cleaner and found one of the buffers broken.  The
> metal
> >>> cups/heat shields were all still there, which was nice to see.  I used
> one
> >>> of my $6.00 M119 air cleaner buffers (MB part #1039880111, $6.00 list)
> that
> >>> I suspected were the same and it was.  It’s possible they’re slight
> >>> slightly taller than the W123 part, but that would be the only
> difference.
> >>> Someone had already trimmed the inlet elbow edge off, so the sealing
> ring
> >>> came out easy and was still nice and pliable, so no need to replace it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With the air cleaner out, I pulled the banjo bolt on the back of the
> >>> intake out and cleaned it.  It was pretty clear with just a little bit
> of
> >>> crud in it. This car will stand up on it’s hind legs without hardly any
> >>> effort so I’m sure the line isn’t plugged, but I’ll check it this
> weekend
> >>> when I have more time.  I also noticed the ALDA is still sealed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> O-ring on the air cleaner drain tube could stand to be replaced -
> it’s
> >>> NLA, but the oil dipstick O-ring is the same size and it’s still
> >>> available.  Another item for the parts list to call in tomorrow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Changed the two O-rings on the filter tube (thanks, Curley!) and got
> >>> four quarts in through the filter housing.  Put the new Mann filter in
> and
> >>> closed things up.  Got another two quarts into it to hit the mid point
> of
> >>> the dipstick and all was well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cleaned the battery terminals and ground cable.  Put some protective
> >>> goo on the terminals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Took it for a quick ride up to Advance Auto to pick up an online
> order
> >>> for some rust neutralizer I had sitting there.  Ran great with no
> problems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some observations:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vacuum levers on the throttle linkage on the top of the valve cover
> are
> >>> nearly worn away.  I wonder if they’re still available?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cigar hose is cracked right near where it connects to the filter
> >>> housing.  Not leaking, but the hose is pretty hard.  Another parts
> order
> >>> item.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would like to find one of the “flat” one piece breather tubes to
> >>> replace the awful conglomeration of tubes, rubber elbows, clamps, etc.
> that
> >>> are in place now.  I remember well when MB came out with the one piece
> flat
> >>> rubber tube - it’s still in the EPC but doesn’t appear to be available
> any
> >>> longer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Spring for holding power steering filter in place is gone.  Another
> >>> item for the morning’s parts order.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just got a can of Diesel Purge tonight in UPS.  I was going to do a
> >>> purge and fuel filters tomorrow, but with the cigar hose in
> questionable
> >>> condition I may wait until I have the new hose.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rockers are faded.  I’m wondering what color paint they were?  They
> >>> weren’t black, more of a dark gray.  Easy/cheap fix and makes it look
> much
> >>> nicer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Enough for the day.  Time to play with Kitty and turn in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan
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