$27k XL is a 2wd, its dammed hard to get a 4wd under $30k.
To be fair heated seats are pretty terrific when you've been out hunting and 
are frozen pretty much to the bone. Just before the end of the year I went 
hunting with a big group, it was in the single digits pretty much the whole 
time, from about -6F to about 8F and the heated seats get warm a lot faster 
than the rest of the cab...
-Curt
 

    On Saturday, January 20, 2018, 2:21:18 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  
 
 The  $50,000 to $60,000 peekups with all the "luxury" trim/interior such 
as the frod "platinum" "limited" "SVT Raptor" and "King Ranch"  are 
what I classify as wussywagons.  They are not meant for work, but to 
show off the owners wealth or to stroke the owners ego, or to satisfy 
the wife while doing one of the former..  The "platinum" is definitely 
trimmed to sell to the female market.  To be fair, pretty much all cars, 
MB included are targeted at the female market.  There may be some 
argument about the king ranch, but with a price tag over $50,000, 
leather steering wheel cover, heated seats, etc, it definitely has 
options that fall into the wussy category.  Each of these would be 
competing with a MB/nissan pickup.

I am not picking on frod, because GM, dodge, toada and nissan all offer 
products with similar fru-fru.  I am more familiar with their trim levels.

When you compare the $50k-60k wagens to the $27k ford F150 XL, can you 
honestly tell me a "limited or "platinum" is worth twice as much 
money?  Will they get twice as much MPG?  Will they last twice as 
long?  Will they carry twice as much?  Do they have some combination of 
the 3 that justifies being worth twice as much?

The gummit meddling in the vehicle market has driven people away from 
cars and into peekups.  The carmakers are not stupid.  they are just 
capitalizing on the weaknesses of people and what their gummit has 
taxed/regulated them into.

> Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> January 19, 2018 at 10:40 AM
>
>
> What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
> I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.
>
>
> I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
> since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
> people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
> need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.
>
> I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
> weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
> justify it but I cannot.
>
> RB

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