On 11 Nov 2003, Florin Andrei wrote:

> What is _your_ source?

        Which one?   ;)

        The author of mpeg2enc is one.   Another can be found in one of
        the links from http://www.mir.com/DMG/, go to the MPEG FAQ
        and read http://tns-www.lcs.mit.edu/manuals/mpeg2/FAQ

        Question/answers #16, #19, #20 and #24.5

        In particular #16 which gives the definitions of the MPEG profiles,
        note that the "Simple" profile is I and P frame only.    One could
        look up the formal definitions in one of Charles Poynton's books
        but for now the FAQ will suffice ;)

        The discussion in #19 and #20 is quite interesting - in essence
        at higher (relative to MPEG-1 SIF size) bitrates B frames are 
        considered by some to be 'wasted bits'.

        Then in #24.5 there's the Dual Prime prediction discussed.  That's
        the part that Ogle doesn't implement but it is most certainly
        a part of the standard.

> Mine is a recent el-cheapo Sony digital camcorder (DCR TRV240); kinda
> good in full daylight, but rather noisy in indoors scenes. Is that less
> than perfect enough to warrant dropping the B-frames?

        Same here - actually mine's the TRV140 (or was it the 120) - D8 so it's
        not analog but nothing fancy (that's for sure :)).   Thinking of 
        getting one of those 3CCD units (Panasonic has one that can be had
        for under $1k) one of these days.

        Anyhow I shot some footage of the fires that were going on in
        Southern California a short time ago (just a couple miles from
        the house) and got somewhere around 10% or so reduction in the
        bitrate by dropping B frames.    I've some tapes made earlier
        that I could re-capture and experiment with.

        It's also possible to split the difference - instead of dropping
        B frames completely you can specify that just 1 is to be used between
        P frames.  The "-R 1" will reduce but not eliminate the B frames.

        It's been mentioned to me that high motion scenes can also benefit
        from reducing or eliminating the B frames.   Something to consider
        when going for maximum quality with live footage.

        Cheers,
        Steven Schultz



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