* On Mon, Dec 07 2009, Jonathan Swartz wrote: > On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:42 AM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > >> Catalyst is the standard Perl web framework [1], and is neither non- > perl nor >> has "very strict security". It also runs on Windows (Strawberry or >> ActiveState), and does not require Apache. (Apache still exists!?) > [2] > > Ah, the arrogance that oozes forth from a few of the most vocal > advocates and authors of Catalyst. That for me is one of the main > reasons I avoid it and vaguely wish for it not to succeed. (Which is > too bad, because I'm sure most of the folks responsible are quite > nice.)
Wow, how rational! It may surprise you to know that your reasons for avoiding Catalyst are pretty flaky; fewer than 1% of the lines of code in the Catalyst core were written by me. (Actually, "svn blame" shows less than this even though I broke the repository a few years ago and every change became owned by me. I am basically completely irrelevant at this point! Damn those facts!) Basically, I am just a happy user that talks about Catalyst at conferences because people keep asking me to. I have no particular investment in it, other than thinking that it *is* the best solution for developing web applications in Perl. (That doesn't mean it's good, it just means that's it the best.) I write my apps, and Catalyst stays out of my way until I ask it to do something I don't feel like doing myself. Catalyst is a lot like Perl5 itself. It may not be the best-designed language ever, but when you want to do something, you can do it. Someone else has been there and the results are on CPAN. When you are new to something, this is what you value over technical purity. Catalyst is the Perl of Perl web frameworks, and that's why I use it and recommend it. (BTW, I chose the word "standard" because I thought that was generally-believed to be true. If someone was to complete the following set: Ruby: Rails Python: Django Perl: ??? would ??? really be Web::Simple? Nope, sorry. That doesn't mean that Merb and Pylons and Jifty are not great frameworks, it just means that they are not the standard. Don't read into it so deeply.) Regards, Jonathan Rockway -- print just => another => perl => hacker => if $,=$"
