"I'd like to hear more about the boom tent you're having made. I may  
give your supplier another order. What material did you choose, how  
large is the tent, and how will it attach to your boat?"

I have been thinking about and working on this boom tent for some time.
I am slowly closing in on the final size and design mock up. 
I have been monk eying around with boom height, shape and supports. 
I bought a very large light weight poly tarp (white) to use as a pattern and

(interim) boom tent. This stuff is easy to cut and tape into the shape I
want. 
I can add grommets wherever I need them.

Normally, in my own area I have little need for a boom tent. The summers 
are warm with little rain. What has changed is I have taken to sleeping in
the 
cockpit most nights. It is just easier to keep an anchor watch on windy
nights
and saves getting out of bed to stand up and have a look throughout the
night. 
Plus it is just nicer with more fresh air and stars. 
On potential weather nights it would be great to have some cover. 
My goal is to spend more and more time in the Gulf Islands during the
summers.
Even in the middle of a coastal summer, occasional damp and rainy days are 
inevitable.

The plan at this point is to have a full enclosure with a sloping forward
section to
provide at least a little aerodynamic flow. I have been led to believe this
will settle
the boat when on the hook.
I plan on lots of zippers to add or subtract panels. I hope to be able to
convert to 
an open sun shade as well as have screened panels when necessary. 
Big plans.....we'll see. If finances permit, I will have a local canvas
expert make it.
If not, I will attempt the construction myself. Once there is a final
functional version, 
and I am happy with it, I will share dimensions and specs. If I do intend to
have it
made, we can either have he maker keep the patterns so others can have one 
built. Or I can share some images of the mock up and see about a price
reduction 
for more than one unit.

My main inspiration comes from what Charles Stock has done for his 17
footer.
There is one small image of his arrangement on this page (better images
appear
in his book)
http://shoal-waters.moonfruit.com/#/stodaypart1/4513804970

Here is some excellent info:  
http://www.mistweb.force9.co.uk/content/cpittent.html

...and some more:
http://www.canvaswindmill.co.uk/PAGE2.HTM

This page has some good details and tips:
http://www.widgetsailor.com/sbjournal/tent/tent1.html

Here is a short essay by Charles Stock on living aboard a small boat. 
As written by a man who has sailed 60,000 miles on his 17 foot sailboat
....often with his wife. Keep in mind, an M17 is a lot roomier than this 17
footer.
http://shoal-waters.moonfruit.com/#/livingcomfortlyon/4513744242


Cheers, Tim Diebert
M17 PUFF
Kelowna BC, Canada.....six hours from the big salty lake.








On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Tim Diebert wrote:

> I would agree with most of what Dave has pointed out in regards to  
> the M17.
> While you can sit in an M17, IMHO there is not really a way to sit for
> longer periods comfortably.
> I am only 5'9" tall and even with a custom made back rest on the  
> strbd qtr
> berth 'seat', my head hits the cabin sides.
>
> In good weather the cockpit is always the most comfortable area to  
> sit. (I
> am having a nice boom tent made for the boat)
>
> I am right in the middle of laying out a truly custom seat inside  
> my 17. I
> have some minor back issues and need to be able to relax my back  
> after a day
> of sailing. Once I have this little job done the 17 will be the  
> perfect boat
> for me.
>
> I would also add that I have cruised for 10 days with my wife on  
> the 17. All
> anchorages no marinas. It was easy enough, but once we were home  
> she did
> tell me that although it was fine, she wouldn't be doing it again.  
> That was
> two summers ago. (I should add that it was during a hot spell, no  
> rain)
> I have been planning a couple of weeks in the Gulf Islands next  
> season. Just
> two days ago she asked if she could come along.
> Tim
> Kelowna BC
> M17 #369
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
> W David
> Scobie
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:57 AM
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17
>
> john & joy:
>
> i'm a M15 owner (wishing to 'move up' to the 17).
>
> sleeping - the forward v-berth is the location.  the compression  
> post does
> 'split' the berth.  the 1/4 berths are good for seating, not adult  
> sleeping.
>
> seating - one can sit in the 17 no problem (unless you are long in  
> body and
> over 6'4").  one cannot stand when in the cabin.
>
> overnighting - if you work well together one can do multiple weeks/ 
> months in
> the 17 ... but my perspective is from the M15 and tent-camping.   
> the Mboats
> can carry more stuff than you can really need ... under the berths,  
> the
> stern end of the quarterberths and cockpit locters.
>
> potty:  under the v-berth, starboard side of the compression post.
>
> steel centerboard & ballast - only the older boats the the steel.   
> the new
> boats are lead.  the current model M15 & M17 use the same  
> centerboard.  see
> SCRED's www-site for a page about the steel centerboard/ballast and  
> the M17
> (link below).
>
> you are correct that there are not many used M17s available ...  
> there is a
> reason for this.  they are GREAT boats!
>
>
> dave scobie
> M15 #288 - SCRED
> visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
>
> --- On Sat, 11/15/08, John Merrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>   We're researching various trailerable "pocket cruisers" such as
> the Montgomery 17, ComPac Sun Cat, Precision 18 and Catalina 18 MK II.
> Since
> Montgomery sells direct to the public from California, it's  
> difficult to
> view on of these fine boats.  With that said, we're soon to be  
> retired and
> want to do some "trailer sailing" to enhance our retirement
> activities.  Having owned a Skipper 20 and a Morgan OutIsland 30,  
> we have
> some
> sailing experience.
>   We've emailed Montgomery with some questions, but we'd prefer to
> obtain information from M17 owners.  One of our first questions is  
> does the
> cabin have sufficient room for two adults to spend 3 to 4 nights on  
> the
> hook?
> How much sitting headroom is there, especially where the head is  
> located?
> How
> long and wide are the berths?  Without opening ports, is there enough
> ventalation, or would dorades be a good idea?  What about the steel
> centerboard;
> is maintenance difficult and what all is required to keep it working
> properly?
>   We realize we're asking a lot of questions, but Montgomery's are
> expensive new and there doesn't seem to be many pre-owned M17's on the
> market.  Again, it's difficult to find one to even look over.  So  
> we are
> hoping we can find some help through this avenue.
>   Early thanks for any help you can provide.
> Sincerely, John and Joy
>
>
>
>
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