Virtually everyone in the hobby was fooled...
Jim,
I WASN'T FOOLED!!
And there were a lot of other knowledgeable collectors who weren't fooled
either. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
If John was so concerned and wanted to "help the industry" so much, he
shouldn't have charged $175. plus, to authenticate each item. I guess you also
think Carol Tincup was another person who was trying to "help the industry"
when she charged you $350. an item.
Jim, there were many collectors who sent me posters and lobby cards to
authenticate. Do you know how much I charged them?? $00.00, ZERO, NADDA,
NOTHING. Now, you tell me, who's really trying to "help the industry" or help
out collectors, John and Carol??
Yet, you still support the creator of this entire mess.
I know you're referring to Jaime but the creator of this mess was your good
buddy Kerry and Kerry alone.
Charges against Jaime were dropped by the court as there was no evidence to
bring a case against him.
Again, I'll give you this analogy...
If I own a gun shop and sell someone a gun and they go out and kill 10 people,
is the gun shop owner liable?? NO. Is the gun manufacturer liable?? NO.
Guess who's liable?? The guy who decided to break the law and kill 10 people,
that's who's responsible, not the gun shop owner and not the gun manufacturer.
How come you didn't bring a lawsuit against Anthony in New York?? After all,
Anthony is the one who actually did the printing. I haven't seen you mention
anything about him?? If Jaime is responsible, Anthony should also be just as
responsible.
Jim, as much as you'd like the gun shop owner to be responsible for the deaths
of those 10 people, he's not the one.
Differences aside...I feel real bad for you Jim, since your loss in this
situation is by far the biggest and far worse than anybody elses and honestly,
I hope that you eventually get every penny back. I can also understand your
frustration and how stressful this has been on you and your family losing so
much money and I can also understand you want anyone that had anything to do
with this held accountable and I don't blame you one bit. I just hope that
this gets resolved and resolved to your benefit 100%.
Todd
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:25:11 -0400
From: jimgres...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Todd what you aren't saying is that he repaired that Dracula Window card prior
to this fake problem surfacing. No one suspected anything. All approaches
changed when it was discovered the hobby had a bad problem. Virtually everyone
in the hobby was fooled, not just John. And when awareness of the problem
surfaced, John and others then took a different look at things. Yet, you still
support the creator of this entire mess. It seems pretty ironic that on one
hand you support the 100% creator of fakes, but hammer on the guy trying to
help this industry.
Jim Gresham
18501 Henry Ct.
Ray, Mi 48096
586 677-7669
Go to www.childrenofthenightbook.com
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:17:47 -0400
From: toddfeier...@msn.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Not only did John Davis at Poster Mountain say a FAKE Dracula Window Card was
real after he re-restored it, he also swore a Dracula REPRINT One Sheet was
also real.
Those are two examples most people know about. Curious to know how many other
FAKES he also swore were real.
On the other hand, since he is obviously no expert, I'm curious to know how
many REAL posters and lobby cards he swore as being FAKE??
Just because someone restores posters, doesn't make them an expert in
authenticating them.
In addition, just because someone has handled a lot of posters, doesn't make
them an expert either.
Todd Feiertag
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:06:24 +0100
From: evan...@blueyonder.co.uk
Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
It is indeed interesting.
And if they have the right skills and knowledge it could have helped if they
started two years.
But, I still can't get over that someone seemingly had everything at their
disposal and still missed one fake in particular.
Correct me if this is account is inaccurate, but if you strip the false front
from a Window Card back, to improve and replace the back, and you've years of
experience of handling paper, how can you miss it?
I'm not hinting anything untoward, I just still can't understand it.
And if they couldn't spot that one, what level of skills and knowledge are
required for us to rely on anyone to prevent any possible next generation?
Cheers,
Richard
On 26 May 2010, at 21:46, Sean Linkenback wrote:
For a long time now, 3rd party grading has been rumored to be "just around the
corner", "coming soon" and sometimes "never will happen".
Well that day is finally upon us for better or worse (though I can't help but
wonder if it had been here even two years ago would collectors have saved
literally millions of dollars and maybe the "Universal Horror Fakes" fiasco
might have been over as soon as it started.)
CGC (Certified Grading Company - the people who have been grading comics for
over a decade) has recently begun limited certification of lobby cards to test
the market and the first examples will be offered at the upcoming Heritage
Signature Auction in July.
Although no photos are on Heritage's site yet, there are two listings for
complete lobby sets (Let It Be, and All The King's Men) that have been CGC
graded/certified.
It will be very interesting to see how these are accepted in the marketplace.
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