Jaime got a pass through legal system plain and simple. Its like saying, I was creating fake hundred dollar bills to see how good I could get them, but honestly judge, I never intended them to be used for real currency. No one, and I mean NO ONE, would spend the time and effort it took to create these unless there is something to be gained in their bank account somewhere. Anyone that is supporting Jaime as having one pulled over on him is putting the shades on themselves plain and simple.
_____ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Linkenback Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:02 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters While Kerry may have been the mastermind, the "creator" - as in the actual creator of the fakes is/was Jaime. The gun analogy is a poor one, as I agree that there is nothing inherently wrong with asking someone to make a fake (suspicious - yes, wrong - no), but once Jaime found out that the fakes were in the marketplace and being marketed as originals, he had a responsibility to not only inform the people who had sent him fakes for inspection/further work that they were fakes, but a moral obligation of declining to produce further copies. Yet he did neither of these things and continued to make them until the fraud became public knowledge. So maybe a better analogy is: if you were 100% certain that a person you sold a gun to last week committed murder with that gun, and that they also committed murder with a gun you sold them two weeks ago, would you sell them another gun when they came into your store this week and asked for one? ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd <mailto:toddfeier...@msn.com> Feiertag To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters Virtually everyone in the hobby was fooled... Jim, I WASN'T FOOLED!! And there were a lot of other knowledgeable collectors who weren't fooled either. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. If John was so concerned and wanted to "help the industry" so much, he shouldn't have charged $175. plus, to authenticate each item. I guess you also think Carol Tincup was another person who was trying to "help the industry" when she charged you $350. an item. Jim, there were many collectors who sent me posters and lobby cards to authenticate. Do you know how much I charged them?? $00.00, ZERO, NADDA, NOTHING. Now, you tell me, who's really trying to "help the industry" or help out collectors, John and Carol?? Yet, you still support the creator of this entire mess. I know you're referring to Jaime but the creator of this mess was your good buddy Kerry and Kerry alone. Charges against Jaime were dropped by the court as there was no evidence to bring a case against him. Again, I'll give you this analogy... If I own a gun shop and sell someone a gun and they go out and kill 10 people, is the gun shop owner liable?? NO. Is the gun manufacturer liable?? NO. Guess who's liable?? The guy who decided to break the law and kill 10 people, that's who's responsible, not the gun shop owner and not the gun manufacturer. How come you didn't bring a lawsuit against Anthony in New York?? After all, Anthony is the one who actually did the printing. I haven't seen you mention anything about him?? If Jaime is responsible, Anthony should also be just as responsible. Jim, as much as you'd like the gun shop owner to be responsible for the deaths of those 10 people, he's not the one. Differences aside...I feel real bad for you Jim, since your loss in this situation is by far the biggest and far worse than anybody elses and honestly, I hope that you eventually get every penny back. I can also understand your frustration and how stressful this has been on you and your family losing so much money and I can also understand you want anyone that had anything to do with this held accountable and I don't blame you one bit. I just hope that this gets resolved and resolved to your benefit 100%. Todd _____ Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:25:11 -0400 From: jimgres...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Todd what you aren't saying is that he repaired that Dracula Window card prior to this fake problem surfacing. No one suspected anything. All approaches changed when it was discovered the hobby had a bad problem. Virtually everyone in the hobby was fooled, not just John. And when awareness of the problem surfaced, John and others then took a different look at things. Yet, you still support the creator of this entire mess. It seems pretty ironic that on one hand you support the 100% creator of fakes, but hammer on the guy trying to help this industry. Jim Gresham 18501 Henry Ct. Ray, Mi 48096 586 677-7669 Go to www.childrenofthenightbook.com <http://www.childrenofthenightbook.com/> _____ Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:17:47 -0400 From: toddfeier...@msn.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Not only did John Davis at Poster Mountain say a FAKE Dracula Window Card was real after he re-restored it, he also swore a Dracula REPRINT One Sheet was also real. Those are two examples most people know about. Curious to know how many other FAKES he also swore were real. On the other hand, since he is obviously no expert, I'm curious to know how many REAL posters and lobby cards he swore as being FAKE?? Just because someone restores posters, doesn't make them an expert in authenticating them. In addition, just because someone has handled a lot of posters, doesn't make them an expert either. Todd Feiertag _____ Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:06:24 +0100 From: evan...@blueyonder.co.uk Subject: Re: [MOPO] 3rd Party Grading Comes to Posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU It is indeed interesting. And if they have the right skills and knowledge it could have helped if they started two years. But, I still can't get over that someone seemingly had everything at their disposal and still missed one fake in particular. Correct me if this is account is inaccurate, but if you strip the false front from a Window Card back, to improve and replace the back, and you've years of experience of handling paper, how can you miss it? I'm not hinting anything untoward, I just still can't understand it. And if they couldn't spot that one, what level of skills and knowledge are required for us to rely on anyone to prevent any possible next generation? Cheers, Richard On 26 May 2010, at 21:46, Sean Linkenback wrote: For a long time now, 3rd party grading has been rumored to be "just around the corner", "coming soon" and sometimes "never will happen". Well that day is finally upon us for better or worse (though I can't help but wonder if it had been here even two years ago would collectors have saved literally millions of dollars and maybe the "Universal Horror Fakes" fiasco might have been over as soon as it started.) CGC (Certified Grading Company - the people who have been grading comics for over a decade) has recently begun limited certification of lobby cards to test the market and the first examples will be offered at the upcoming Heritage Signature Auction in July. Although no photos are on Heritage's site yet, there are two listings for complete lobby sets (Let It Be, and All The King's Men) that have been CGC graded/certified. It will be very interesting to see how these are accepted in the marketplace. 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