Dear all.
Just to make this clear: Simone Weil died about 60 years ago - the bits of
her work that I quoted are from a book called "Gravity and Grace", and
collected in a anthology called "Simone Weil, an Anthology".
It would be nice to have her on the discussion lists in a more embodied way
- but sadly this isn't possible.
I'm unsubscribing from the list now for a week or two as I can't master
lurking and I have alot of reading to catch up on. No disrespect intended
because I've been having an interesting time here, and won't be too long
away. This is without doubt the best of the free philosophical discussion
groups on the net and moq.org should be proud, and thanked too, from time to
time. I'll be back shortly and I will still want to carry on the discussion
about atomic awareness - unless you all reach a consensus in my abscence -
of which I will want to be told!
all the best
Elephant
> From: "Jeremy Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:42:14 +0100
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> Subject: Re: MD Atomic awareness
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> Subject: Re: MD Atomic awareness
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> Hi ROG, Platt, Elephant and all,
>
> IMO atoms are not aware. Yes, I finally got it. I'm sorry to say the
> contents of the recent discussions as such didn't do it, however the
> impasse concerning agreement on what I considered a fundamental issue to my
> own understanding made me at least open my mind to the possibility that I
> was wrong. And whoa, what a shock!
>
> So what did it? I decided to do some cross referencing of ideas in the
> Lila's Child archive. Just looking for anything that seemed to be of
> relevance. I came across Pirsig on Time. Time having been much food for
> thought in the past. I suddenly realised just how weird our belief in the
> SOM way of looking at time is. Here is 'something' which has no
> discreteness, no physical body and yet we believe in its existence, as some
> kind of entity with out doubt. It's very, very odd.
>
> Then things started falling into place. How I've still been trying to look
> through the SOM glasses and getting nowhere. The way we look at time with
> our SOM specs on is just the same way we should look at everything with the
> MOQ specs on. The mind matter relationship creates the illusion of
> awareness. In the MOQ window DQ creates the initial illusion of awareness
> because it cannot look back on itself. I think I've put that correctly?
>
> Time is a static pattern of intellectual values, and atoms are inorganic
> patterns of values that most of the time we cannot help but look at through
> SOM glasses. Quality creates atoms thus atoms cannot 'have' awareness. What
> about the Life question? just the same but I think that this realisation has
> to be come to by the individual. Its too precious a view to be lightly
> changed by words.
>
> That's was the problem, the distrust we have in our intellectual constructs,
> (and quite rightly so given it's history) and the convoluted language we use
> to describe them. But the questions don't go away for the artist,
> philosopher etc. We cannot ignore them as others do and carry on with the
> distrust of, in effect our own mind.
>
> The other thing that swayed me was the practical usage comparison between
> Newtonian physics v Einstein's Relativity and SOM v MOQ philosophy. Ones
> fine for everyday local use, but if you want to go further you have to
> answer some pretty big questions for more accuracy. Niether is incorrect
> just one is more correct than the other.
>
> I would like to thank Simone Wiel for her enlightening talk about the
> Personal and Impersonal, it makes perfect sense.
>
> I have to attend to business for a few weeks but I'll pick up the mail,
> thanks to everyone for thier help so far.
>
> Jeremy
>
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