Today I read on the papers the Facebook had 10 billions of revenue/profit on
this year first months. I really refuse to share with Zuckerberg and his
family my creations, my discussion and my thoughts. They are gaining these
obscene amount of money stealing from you and me our words and ideas.
I am now using Diaspora and other free tools and I believe if more and more
ppl as us, heavy users, creating and sharing, leave FB and other similar
territories they are going to be desert shells in a few years.
Ana
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:36 PM, marc garrett <marc.garr...@furtherfield.org>
wrote:
Hi Ana,
Well, as James Wallbank said on here a little while back "emails
are a
killer app"...something like that.
Much of the younger generation's experience with networked
technology
and its culture, now seems to mainly involve mobile phones,
tweeting &
Facbook etc, and are not really using email lists that much,
outside of
educational contexts it seems. Which is why many are proposing
for their
own generation the rather fait accompli (& personally
self-defeating)
term of 'post-internet' - which of course, serves the
corporations well
an plays into their hands, these corporations would rather we
all used
their frameworks rather than self-made communities.
When I interviewed Dmytri Kleiner, about The Telekommunist
Manifesto, a
few months ago (http://su.pr/17poHc) I found his ideas around
corporate
networks very interesting "I avoided using Facebook and similar
for
quite some time, sticking to email, usenet, and irc as I have
since the
90s. When I co-authored InfoEnclosure 2.0, I was still not a
user of
these platforms. However it became more and more evident that
not only
where people adopting these platforms, but that they were
developing a
preference for receiving information on them, they would rather
be
contacted there than by way of email, for instance. Posting
stuff of
Facebook engaged them, while receiving email for many people has
become
a bother. The reasons for this are themselves interesting, and
begin
with the fact that millions where being spent by Capitalists to
improve
the usability of these platforms, while the classic Internet
platforms
were more or less left as they were in the 90s. Also, many
people are
using social media that never had been participants in the sorts
of
mailing lists, usenet groups, etc that I was accustomed to using
to
share information."
Regarding The Empyre list - it is a shame that they have so many
broken
links - I have enjoyed reading the discussions & taking part in
the
discussions on there, in the past years and quite recently. I
think the
list itself still has a few years left to carry on exploring the
interesting culture we all share here, and elsewhere...
wishing you well.
marc
licker
> I remember I was subscribed to Syndicate as well but I never heard
about NN and never participated, I felt Syndicate was more a list for
announcements of events, maybe I only subscribed to the events list.
> But it's interesting to discuss the validity of the mailinglists
today, as forums for discussion or for sharing information.
> I have been participating in the Australian list -empyre for many
years and now I feel the list is slowly dissapearing. Some of you
(Patrick Lichty was a briljant moderator for some month's ago) are
members of -empyre too. Do you feel the same as me? It's not strange,
the list has been on the net for ages and the moderators do a terrific
job but the most of people are freelancing artists or teachers with
very
little time to spare...
> I tried today to reach their arrchives and the links were broken.
> It would be a real loss if -empyre is gone.
> Ana
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:54 PM, marc garrett
<marc.garr...@furtherfield.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Ana,
>
> Thanks for the link to 'Doctress Neutopia', very interesting...
>
> Yes - I remember on the (once brilliant) Syndicate list years
ago, where
> Netochka Nezvanova, N.N., antiorp, integer dominated, causing
all
kinds
> of upset...
>
> "The net entity nn (Netochka Nezvanova, integer, antiorp,
etc.), a
> pseudonym used by an international group of artists and
programmers in
> their extensive and aggressive mailing list-based
online-performances and
> for other art projects, had been subscribed to the Syndicate
list
in 1997.
> It was, as the first of less than a handful of people ever,
unsubscribed
> against its will because it was spamming the list so heavily
that all
> meaningful communication was blocked. In January 2001, nn sent
an
e-mail
> asking to again be subscribed to the Syndicate mailing list.
(What nn
> never bothered to realise was that subscription to the list had
always
> been open so that, at any point, it could have subscribed
itself
- we have
> always wondered why Majordomo is such a blind spot in this
technophile
> entity's arsenal.) After getting assurances from nn that she
was
not out
> to misuse the list, we subscribed it to the Syndicate list.
>
> Naively, as we had to realise. nn went from one or two messages
every day
> in February to an average of three to five message in April and
up to
> eight and ten messages per day in May and June - and that on a
list which
> had a regular daily traffic of three to five messages a day.
The
> distributed nature of the nn collective makes it possible for
them to keep
> posting 24 hours a day - great for promoting your online
presence,
> irritating for people who have a less frantic life rhythm. nn's
messages
> are always cryptic, sometimes amusing, often tediously
repetitive
in their
> quirky rhetorics and style, and generally irritating for the
majority of
> people. Its activity on the Syndicate - like on many other
lists
it has
> used and terrorised - soon came to look like a hijack. But the
sheer mass
> of traffic nn was generating, the sheer amount of nn's
presence, was
> overwhelming. Perhaps this phenomenon could be compared to
SMEGL,
short
> for super mental grid lock, a term that was developed to
describe
traffic
> jam situations in NYC back in the eighties (or was this term
coined in
> Berlin-Kreuzberg's famous Fischbuero? Who knows, the boundaries
get
> blurred...).
>
> In the spring of 2001, nn's and other people's activities who
use
open,
> unmoderated mailing lists for promulgating their
self-promotional
e-mails,
> triggered discussions about 'spam art', on Syndicate as well as
on other
> lists. Actually, given the extreme openness and vulnerability
of a
> structure like the Syndicate it remains quite astonishing that
this
> structure survived for such a long time. What happened in the
course of
> 2000/2001 (not only to Syndicate, but also to several other
mailing lists)
> was that the openness of these lists, i.e. the fact that they
were
> unmoderated, was massively abused, and, finally, destroyed, by
relentless
> 'creative' spamming. One of the basic principles of the
Internet
- its
> openness - suddenly seemed to become a mere tool for attacking
this very
> principle. 'Netiquette' did not seem to be of much value
anymore
and was
> sacrificed for the egotistical self-expression of (distributed)
artist
> egos. The irony of this process is that, like any good
parasite, this
> artistic practice depends on the existence of lively online
communities:
> it not only bites, but kills the hand that feeds it. - These
parasite
> nomads will find new hosts, no doubt, but they have over the
past
year
> helped to erode the social fabric of the wider net cultural
population so
> much that communities have to protect themselves from attacks
and
hijacks
> more aggressively than before. Their adolescent carelessness is
partly
> responsible for the withering of the romantic utopia of a
completely open,
> sociable online environment. However educational that may be,
we
despise
> the deliberation with which these people act.
>
> nn got unsubscribed from the Syndicate without warning on a day
when there
> had been nothing but ten messages from her. After some days of
silence and
> sighs of relief, angry protests by nn came through. On the
list,
> accusations of censorship and/or dictatorship were made. A
small
but noisy
> faction denounced unsubscribing nn as an act against the
freedom of
> speech. They called the administrators fascists, murderers, and
> 'threatened' to report the case to 'Index on Censorship'. While
some other
> list members welcomed the departure of nn on and off the list
and the
> admin team again and again explained their move, the ludicrous
allegations
> and vociferous insults continued.
>
> The real shock for us was that the majority of list subscribers
did not
> participate in the discussion and thus silently seemed to
accept
what was
> going on. It was personally hurtful not to receive more support
against
> the insults raised against us, but more frustrating was the
indifference
> that made the whole process possible. Within few days, the
alienation from
> the atmosphere on the list was so great that we admitted
defeat,
> re-subscribed nn and began to withdraw from the Syndicate. The
list was
> moved to a different server and is now administered by other
people at
> anart.no/~syndicate. We wanted to avoid further verbiage and
conflict and
> therefore gave up the name, but we insist that from our
perspective the
> Syndicate project that was founded in 1996 ended in August
2001. What
> remains under its name is a zombie kept alive by misconceptions
about what
> the Syndicate really was. Maybe we should have stopped the
project
> altogether in the summer?
>
> Filtering has, in a way, done us in. Before there were
effective
e-mail
> clients that could filter out lists and other mail
communication,
> everybody on the list got everything more or less instantly,
which also
> meant a higher level of social awareness and social control of
what goes
> on on the list. Today, many people filter the lists they
subscribe to and
> only look at the postings at irregular intervals - some
mailboxes
don't
> get opened for months. Like this, people consume the list
passively and do
> not even notice a fiasco like the one that we experienced on
the
Syndicate
> list in the summer. I guess that some people who remain
subscribed to the
> Syndicate list still have not noticed that anything has
changed.
For a
> social community, that kind of behaviour - automated deferance
-
can be
> fatal."
>
> <nettime> Rise and Decline of the Syndicate
>
http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0111/msg00077.html
>
> wishing all well.
>
> marc
>
>
>
> > Interesting, it reminds me about doctress Neutopia,
> >
>
http://projectwhitehouse.wordpress.com/democrats/libby-hubbard-aka-doctress
-neutopia-free-the-slaves
> > a selfnamed prophet and the founder of a new religion at the
> beginning of the Net, around 1995.
> > She terrorized many online communities and was expelled from many
forums.
> > Ana
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:25 PM, marc garrett
> <marc.garr...@furtherfield.org> wrote:
> >
> > Netochka Nezvanova.
> >
> > One of the most famous and infamous EccentricCharacters in
> > turn?of?the?21st Century Western artistic NetworkCulture, Netochka
> > Nezvanova (aka N.N., antiorp, integer, Irena Sabine Czubera)
> remains an
> > enigma to many. Widely believed to be an IdentityCollective?,
> Netochka
> > Nezvanova is a PenName named after the title character in [an
early
> > unfinished Fyodor Dostoevsky novel] whose name means
"nameless
> nobody"
> > in Russian. The identity always presents itself as female,
though
> it may
> > not be in reality. Despite the meaning of her moniker, N.N.
has
> coveted
> > attention and recognition like few others on the Internet.
> >
> > http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/NetochkaNezvanova
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