On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, you wrote:
> its funny.  The hardcore anti-overclocking people hate me because I don't care 
> if people do it and defend the fact that they can do whatever they want with 
> thie hardware.  Meanwhile, the rabid overclockers talk shit about me because I 
> don't feel the need to overclock.
> 
> Why do I feel like I'm at a high school kegger and not interested in drinking?
> 
> 
> Abe


oh abe come on. nobody hates u for not overclocking
got it  ?



> 
> 
> >===== Original Message From "markOpoleO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =====
> >Your not down with www.hardocp.com then eh? :)  Overclocking is the best
> >thing since sliced bread, when i got a 700mhz and O/ced to 840mhz it was
> >awsome, tests showed it.  :p
> >
> >markOpoleO
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Abe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:32 PM
> >Subject: RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird & ka7-100]
> >
> >
> >> Yes, the sentence "How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even
> >900mhz
> >> then it is now?" from my previous email was intended as sarcastic irony
> >not a
> >> true question.  I have experience with over clocked ram and cpu's.  Like
> >you
> >> I've learned that it is not worth it.  If I need pc-150 performance I will
> >buy
> >> pc-150 DIMMs.  If I need a gig processor I'll buy one.
> >>
> >>
> >> Abe
> >>
> >>
> >> >===== Original Message From John Rye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =====
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Abe,
> >> >>     The extra speed that comes as a result of overclocking IS
> >noticable,
> >> but
> >> >> not a big change.  A more significant question is: if a system is
> >> overclocked
> >> >> but stable, how long will it remain stable, and what will you go
> >through
> >> >> before you find the culprit: how much trouble will it cause you and is
> >it
> >> >> worth it.  I include a copy of a posting I sent to newbie in May. The
> >> >> relevant sentence is : " These things [ referring to 15% overclocking ]
> >> were
> >> >> OK and had worked well for a year and a half."  I've done it, and my
> >answer
> >> >> is that I doubt I will overclock again.  As always, remember that your
> >> >> mileage will vary.  -Gary-
> >> >>
> >> >> Subj:   [newbie] beware old hardware optimizations
> >> >> Date:   5/27/2000
> >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>
> >> >>     I had taken hardware optimizations for granted; this is a reminder
> >that
> >> >> things can change over time.
> >> >>     Having read here a while back that Linux is very demanding of
> >hardware
> >> >> set me thinking.  For the last six months I've had problems with
> >Windows
> >> >> Scandisk completing.  I suspected my hard drive was heading toward
> >failure
> >> >> [before I was disabled I was a computer technician, and this IS one of
> >the
> >> >> first signs of hard drive failure a user will see], and before I
> >installed
> >> >> Linux Mandrake 7 I installed a new HDD.  The Windows Scandisk problem
> >> >> remained.
> >> >>     In trying to solve Linux WordPerfect vs. StarOffice installs
> >corrupting
> >> X
> >> >> windows, and sound configuration failures it occured to me to remove my
> >15%
> >> >> overclocking and accelerated DIMM timing from my hardware.  These
> >things
> >> were
> >> >> OK and had worked well for a year and a half.  Removing the
> >overclocking
> >> >> solved the Scandisk problem.  The DIMM timing changed nothing and was
> >> reset.
> >> >> Too bad this didn't fix my Linux problems.
> >> >>     -Gary-
> >> >>
> >> >> In a message dated 9/13/2000 11:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> <<
> >> >>  How much faster is it going to be at 800mhz or even 900mhz then it is
> >now?
> >> >>  And how unstable will it be?  Bottom line is, I don't need to over
> >clock
> >> it
> >> >> to
> >> >>  feel like I got my moneys worth.  If it ain't broke it works just fins
> >and
> >> >>  should be left alone.
> >> >>   >>
> >> >
> >> >Gary if you've been round the industry long enough you'll remember the
> >> >good old Z-80.
> >> >
> >> >We used to run Z-80 based S-100 boards in multi-user MPM systems. The
> >> >boards
> >> >(manufacturer forgotten) supplied 1Mhz Z-80's and clocks on the boards
> >> >which we replaced. We clocked all of the cards on the buss to 10Mhz and
> >> >got fantastic performance!!!!!!!! And it worked well on these beasts.
> >> >
> >> >We had several very happy customers how really loved the 5 times
> >> >thru-put
> >> >increase. Multiple fans the whole 9 yards to keep them cool.
> >> >
> >> >However there was a downside.....................
> >> >
> >> >Really pungant smells throughout the offices, smoke detectors going off
> >> >for no apparent reason, inexplicable loss of data, and what was really
> >> >strange was the lovely green laquer on the boards went a really dark
> >> >brown !!!
> >> >
> >> >Now that's overclocking!!!
> >> >
> >> >I should add that none of these systems lasted more than 6 months  !!
> >> >
> >> >I couldn't agree more with your suggestion that overclocking may be
> >> >detrimental to the performace of the system..
> >> >
> >> >I wonder how I get my tongue out of mt cheek now.. any suggestions?
> >> >
> >> >Cheers
> >> >
> >> >PS I guess I should advise any contenders for the Americas Cup that we
> >> >Kiwis still don't overclock <grin>
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >ICQ# 89345394     Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> Jesus saves,
> >> Allah forgives,
> >> Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
> >>
> >>
> 
> Jesus saves,
> Allah forgives, 
> Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.

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