On Monday 09 July 2001 15:22, you wrote:
> > But regardless of
> > whether she was a plant, she's abrasive, offensive, and
> > utterly thankless to the Linux community as a whole.
> > (Isolated "thank yous" on the list doesn't count.)
>
> And you sir are very close minded.  You don't want to listen to new ideas
> and thinking if they don't fall into your narrow guidelines.  I have reason
> to suspect that you would be perfectly happy if Linux remained an elite OS

If you are applying this to all of the list members you are very much 
mistaken. I, for example turned to Linux a couple of years ago purely because 
I wanted something new out of computing, I didn't want shrink wrapped 
software that in a lot of cases didn't live up to it's media hype. I wanted 
to learn and have learnt a lot, mainly thanks to people on this list but also 
because I am not afraid to pick up a book and read. If I considered myself to 
be elite or part of an elite group I would hardly be writing now on a newbie 
group.
> out of the reach of the average user putting yourself on some sort of
> pedestal.  Sorry I don't deal well with snooty "I'm better then you types".

Your insult is noted and I don't deem it worthy of a considered reply.

> Judith gave the list some constructive criticism in hopes I'm sure that the
> right people might be listening.
They are, but not even Microsoft would make a modification/bug fix for one 
person overnight, Linux is new and growing, change takes time. When I started 
it took me 2 days to install and set up properly - that isn't any sort of 
elitist comment, I mention it to illustrate how far it has come in a short 
time, this has come about by requests for change, constructive criticism etc. 
Don't forget that most of the work on Linux is done by unpaid volunteers, 
people like you and me who can and do make contributions - but these 
volunteers have studies/employment to consider and can only devote a limited 
amount of time to Linux. Companies such as Mandrake are small, very few paid 
employees - the resources aren't there as they are with Microsoft, IBM and 
others who can release a team of programmers to deal with a specific matter.
  I distinctly remember her thanking the
> community for all the work that has been done and credited the community
> with developing a system with great potetial.  Maybe not an exact quote but
> I think the meaning was close.  All things change.  They get better or get
> worse and/or die eventually.  I believe the community knows this and
> realizes that Linux's future depends on innovation and new ideas and
> thinking.
>
> With that said I wouldn't be surprised if this community desires me to
> leave,but that's ok for I don't desire to be somewhere where speaking out
> for your convictions and ideas is not acceptable.

>That's up to you, nobody will ask you to leave, the thing about Linux is 
it's free, to quote "as in speech, not beer" you have your right to free 
speech and you have your views which may be criticised openly, even rudely 
perhaps, but they will be respected. 
> Tazmun
Sorry this is reply is badly edited, I don't do "rant" very well <grin>
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Poogle
Registered Linux user 182657 (added to sig for the benefit of those irritated 
by it)

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