On Wednesday 19 December 2001 20:18, you wrote: > On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:07:40 -0600 > > "Julian Opificius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well let's not get too flamin' high and mighty and make judgements about > > each others' intelligence, shall we? > > "I" wasn't. I was gettin' all high and mighty about people not RTFM, and > then making judgements that Mandrake is junk, when it's clearly their > error. > > > An installer that destroys partitions without adequate warning, > > ESPECIALLY in "easy" mode, shows indefensibly bad programming from people > > who assume to know better. Learning is a process punctuated by mistakes > > as well as successes. > > "Easy" mode is just that. Easy. yes, it will destroy the contents of your > hard drive. If you would have RTFM, or at the very least watched the > messages on the screen, you'd have known that. Again, don't blame the > product for your inability to follow directions. > > > I shouldn't have to learn "spells and incantations" to be assured a safe > > passage through the unfriendly waters of new OS install, especially one > > that is trying to compete against the arrogance and poor quality we are > > accustomed to getting from Redmond. > > But you should at least be required to learn how to install it the way you > want to. Don't ya think? There are options to the install. There are > reasons for the options. > > > If you don't have any patience for us NEWBIES, then don't waste your > > precious time writing arrogant and spiteful retorts to those of us on > > this NEWBIE list who have, if not more knowledge and experience, then > > certainly a lot more humility and civility than you appear to have. > > As demonstrated by recent outbreak of humility. :) > > I actually do have a great deal of patience. I spend a lot of time helping > folks, who demonstrate a desire to help themselves, and are trying to > learn. Yes, Linux is an advanced operating system. It does require spending > some time learning it. No experienced Linux user, or admin would say > differently. To get the most out of Linux, and this list, spend some time > educating yourself before proclaiming Mandrake to be junk because it won't > install right, when the install error was yours. > > > This is my last comment on this particular thread. I offer my appologies to > the list for this one. It is very much unlike me to start a flame war. > Sometimes it just burns me to see someone trash an excellent distribution, > when the error is theirs. > > Again, my appologies to the list for this massive waste of bandwidth. > > > Ric > > > Julian Opificius. > > ================================ > > > > At 02:39 PM 12/19/01 -0800, you wrote: > > >Sounds to me like you just need to learn to run the installer. > > >I'm sitting on a system right now that is multi-boot, with Win98, win2k, > > >Linux, and Solaris, managed by System Comander. No problem. The Mandrake > > >installer dropped the boot image on the first partition of the Mandrake > > >installation just like I told it to do (in my case that's hdb1). > > > > > >If you take the lame road, and auto-install, then you take what you get. > > >One might look at the "expert" install. It offers many more options. > > >However, as the name would imply, it assumes that you know what you're > > > doing. > > > > > >RTFM. It's full of magical spells & incantations. With them, you can do > > >most anything you want with Linux. > > > > > >If you don't want to take the time to learn, and do it right, . . Well, > > >my sympathy level drops quickly. > > > > > >Ric > > > > > >David McGlone wrote: > > >>well same thing happened to me, I lost all my backed up data that was > > >> on 3 seperate ext2 partitions and 3 seperate partitions that I had > > >> windows installs on (mostly games) and I never told mandrakes > > >> partition tool to even touch them partitions. when I booted after my > > >> first install which I installed over a SuSE install I got a kernel > > >> panic, I wondered why such a thing happened, so I put the mandrake > > >> disk back in and when I got to the partitioning tool, it showed no > > >> partitions at all, they were all gone, it wiped out virtually > > >> everything except hda1. > > >>Well I proceeded to partition and finally install mandrake, I started > > >> to use it and it seemed to be a nice OS until the time came that I > > >> wanted to remove some rpm's and install different ones, and all I got > > >> was dependency problems left and right. I tried and tried every way I > > >> know, but it seems that when I wanted to remove 1 RPM from Mandrake, > > >> it wanted to remove the whole Operating System. > > >>At this point, I totally gave up, stuck my SuSE install Disk in and > > >> went back to SuSE. > > >>The way I see all this is, with Mandrake, you don't have much freedom. > > >> If I cannot remove an rpm and install the .tar file instead, then I > > >> think Mandrake is heading to Redmond. > > >>just my $.02 > > >>David M. > > >>AIM: dmclgone27 > > >>ICQ: 96210352 > > >> > > >>On Monday 17 December 2001 09:16 am, you wrote: > > >>>Just to offer a contrasting and virtually worthless opinion here ... > > >>>I'm not sure about the "slicker install" or "souped up". I lost > > >>> Windows installs on two of my machines (Win98 and Win2000) because > > >>> Mandrake 8.1's installer trashed my partition tables without giving > > >>> me a way out, so I went back to Red Hat 7.2 and had a much better > > >>> install experience. I use System Commander 7 as a boot manager, but > > >>> Mandrake's installer wouldn't support writing the boot code on the > > >>> Linux boot partition for another boot manager to "pick up", it > > >>> absolutely insisted on writing it's boot block to the MBR, which is > > >>> not polite, and more to the point, is not compatible with System > > >>> Commander. > > >>> > > >>>I'll try Mandrake again this week, because many people have a very > > >>> high opinion (I'm still subscribed to this list, obviously). > > >>> > > >>>If someone does know how to instruct Mandrake's installer to put it's > > >>> boot block on /boot (folks seem to call this a "superblock", > > >>> apparently), please tell me - I'd really like to give Mandrake a run > > >>> - but please don't tell me to trash System Commander: I've paid for > > >>> it, I like it, and it's friendly to my family users, who don't want > > >>> to have to learn anything else :-) > > >> > > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to > > >>http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > >-- > > >Ric Tibbetts > > > > > >Linux registration number: 55684 > > >If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to > > >http://counter.li.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > ============================== > > Julian A. Opificius. > > 802 Fawn Road, Elk River, MN 55330. > > Home: 763.441.1291, Cell: 763.360.5919 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 3268206 > > ============================== Thank you for desisting, flame wars are very uncommon on this list and not a lot of fun to download. -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842
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