On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:

> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
> 
> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.

+1 Informed and critical opinions are necessary for broader growth
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> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein <j...@zognet.com 
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> > I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a practical 
> > way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit harsh and I 
> > was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be helpful, I 
> > also don't assume that I can see the direction that something will take. 
> > What I know is that it is good for people to be creative whatever that form 
> > takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more then most people will 
> > ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out their own ideas out 
> > there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do it and he gets to 
> > where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from it. I would applaud 
> > again. 
> > 
> > 
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> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn <m...@hahnca.com 
> > (mailto:m...@hahnca.com)> wrote:
> > > > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting 
> > > 
> > > That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.  
> > > I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
> > > 
> > > To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from 
> > > somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using 
> > > computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I 
> > > for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays 
> > > grew up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as 
> > > familiar with as the desktop. 
> > > 
> > > Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.  
> > > Where can it go from here?
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein <j...@zognet.com 
> > > (mailto:j...@zognet.com)> wrote:
> > > > The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a familiar 
> > > > metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel more at 
> > > > home. This ia also to say that from this may come something interesting 
> > > > after iteration(x) that is created.
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn <m...@hahnca.com 
> > > > (mailto:m...@hahnca.com)> wrote:
> > > > > I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it. 
> > > > >  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on 
> > > > > a modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with 
> > > > > responsive web pages to be a better experience.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality 
> > > > > with gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop 
> > > > > metaphor with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from 
> > > > > icons into desktop windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron <waldron.r...@gmail.com 
> > > > > (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane" <dkan...@gmail.com 
> > > > > > (mailto:dkan...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My most recent work can be seen here: 
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a 
> > > > > > > working Trashcan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this 
> > > > > > > & I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to 
> > > > > > > get something beautiful started!
> > > > > > I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be 
> > > > > > interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about 
> > > > > > an API that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed 
> > > > > > JavaScript API. 
> > > > > > Share some code ;) 
> > > > > > Rick 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end 
> > > > > > > experience crucially determines how much "excitement" the 
> > > > > > > back-end administrators will have.  At the moment, the web is 
> > > > > > > filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive front-ends.  So anyone 
> > > > > > > who wants to work with me will really have a leg up in terms of 
> > > > > > > offering the kind of user experience that will keep the 
> > > > > > > back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully 
> > > > > > > employed" ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of 
> > > > > > > this will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their 
> > > > > > > front end.  I am using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how 
> > > > > > > awesome I can make the end user experience.  Once I can get this 
> > > > > > > prototype working as well as possible, then I can start to think 
> > > > > > > about how to make it even better than OS X!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered 
> > > > > > > up through this kind of interface...
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