And it seems to me that your avoiding discussing the origin of Non could have other motivations. NSM being (somewhat bafflingly) the most popular of the Non projects, mention of Non might enable people to discover Non. Similarly, getting a fork of NSM also named NSM into Debian would effectively block NSM from getting into Debian and remove the one bit of incentive that Debian would have had to include all of Non rather than just one small part of it.
It's funny how you act so innocent and yet everything you do seems to fit nicely into a kind of Machiavellian scheme. And then you use the word "community" in funny ways that seem eerily familiar. I don't know why you would want to be king of Linux Audio (as you say, it doesn't seem like the most profitable kingdom to have). All I know is that everything you do appears to be carefully planned to achieve that goal. If this is the wrong impression, then I don't know what to say but that you need to seriously consider your actions and whether you may not have some kind of unconscious compulsion driving you. On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:13 PM Filipe Coelho <[email protected]> wrote: > Good point about justification of the fork. > > We thought about it, but decided against it, because it would pollute the > actual announcement. > People reading about the announcement care to know about what is > announced, what it is and what it does. > Directly in the announcement there is a link to the repository, which > interested people could click on to get more info. > > The README as of that day was > > https://github.com/linuxaudio/new-session-manager/tree/fd813166d56acc2bc1503c1b50129c792496abd0 > > There is a chapter for "Fork and License". > > Which, granted, does not explain the *why*. > > We did not want to draw too much attention to NON since then they would > see a whole ugly drama around it, and likely be demotivated to even try it. > It would also make people confused about non-sm and new-sm, non and ntk, > and all other things around it. > Those in the know (basically anyone on the #lad channel) were aware of the > situation. > > There was nothing special about the announcement itself. > Only that we expected very ugly/nasty messages from you, as we had > previous experience and knew what to expect. And that was exactly what > happened. :( > On 04/01/21 01:00, J. Liles wrote: > > Fillipe, when you announce a fork, your first responsibility (and the > expectation of the readers) is that you will provide justification for the > necessity of said fork. The justification you appear to provide is that Non > is not "of the community" and is full of "ads" and "spyware." > > I can think of no other way to interpret that announcement, even with your > claim to innocence. > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 4:57 PM Filipe Coelho <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ouch, you thought that meant for you? :( >> >> sorry, terrible wording then. >> That sentence feels to me like the usual "boiler-plate" for an opensource >> program and why it can be good. >> >> I guess the idea was to sorta write the first info in a more formal, >> marketing-like speech. >> But didnt come that way to you and likely a few others. >> >> I can assure you it was not the intention. >> >> >> On 04/01/21 00:50, J. Liles wrote: >> >> My mistake. It says "spyware". >> >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM Filipe Coelho <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Can you please clarify? >>> >>> The announcement is at >>> https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-announce/2020-June/002820.html >>> >>> Where is it implied that non-session-manager is malware? >>> >>> I do realize your name was not in that announcement. >>> This was not intentional. >>> >>> I am sorry for that, you absolutely and clearly deserve credit for NSM. >>> >>> >>> On 04/01/21 00:29, J. Liles wrote: >>> >>> Indeed. In the LAA announcement post he implied that non-session-manager >>> malware as well. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 4:22 PM Marc Lavallée <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I did not know about New Session Manager, only a bit about Non. >>>> >>>> Now I'm reading this page: >>>> https://linuxaudio.github.io/new-session-manager/ >>>> >>>> The description looks like Non is almost a proprietary software, and >>>> that New is trying to "fix that" as a "community version". Non is released >>>> as a GPL2 software, so clearly there was no need to fork it as a "community >>>> version". It there's a better reason (that could be mentioned)? >>>> >>>> GPL2 does not mean "free lunch"; there's other licenses for that. >>>> >>>> Marc >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 21-01-03 à 19 h 08, Filipe Coelho a écrit : >>>> >>>> On 03/01/21 23:57, rosea.grammostola wrote: >>>> >>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 12:47 AM, Filipe Coelho <[email protected]> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> 1. the new-session-manager fork was done by Nils, not me. I appreciated >>>> the effort and contributed some little things afterwards. >>>> >>>> The idea for a fork was yours Filipe. You're fully responsible for it, >>>> together with Nils. There is no point in denying or downplaying your role. >>>> >>>> Huh? Where did you get this from? >>>> >>>> I approved the idea of a fork, yes. Not sure if I was the first one to >>>> suggest it, I am pretty sure a bunch of people thought about it too. >>>> I did say that I would maintain the "old" GUI if needed, you can point >>>> the finger at me for that. >>>> >>>> But wait, just because I have an idea for something, how does it make >>>> me responsible for it? >>>> It would not have happened if others did not have interest on it. >>>> >>>> Stop making it all on me. >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>>
