On 04/01/21 01:25, J. Liles wrote:
And it seems to me that your avoiding discussing the origin of Non
could have other motivations. NSM being (somewhat bafflingly) the most
popular of the Non projects, mention of Non might enable people to
discover Non. Similarly, getting a fork of NSM also named NSM into
Debian would effectively block NSM from getting into Debian and remove
the one bit of incentive that Debian would have had to include all of
Non rather than just one small part of it.
I dont see how this is related. new-sm can be in debian, and later on
the NON suite can be added.
I have done this myself. I have the "new" project as the NSM but the
rest of the non tools still in the kxstudio repos.
This is not really mutually exclusive.
It's funny how you act so innocent and yet everything you do seems to
fit nicely into a kind of Machiavellian scheme. And then you use the
word "community" in funny ways that seem eerily familiar.
I don't know why you would want to be king of Linux Audio (as you say,
it doesn't seem like the most profitable kingdom to have). All I know
is that everything you do appears to be carefully planned to achieve
that goal.
If this is the wrong impression, then I don't know what to say but
that you need to seriously consider your actions and whether you may
not have some kind of unconscious compulsion driving you.
You clearly have the wrong impression.
I am doing whatever I can in my free time in order to push and fix
things in linux audio, more recently LV2 as well.
if no one else wants to maintain JACK, I step in. same happened for
wineasio.
you are free to contribute to these projects as much as you want too.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:13 PM Filipe Coelho <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Good point about justification of the fork.
We thought about it, but decided against it, because it would
pollute the actual announcement.
People reading about the announcement care to know about what is
announced, what it is and what it does.
Directly in the announcement there is a link to the repository,
which interested people could click on to get more info.
The README as of that day was
https://github.com/linuxaudio/new-session-manager/tree/fd813166d56acc2bc1503c1b50129c792496abd0
There is a chapter for "Fork and License".
Which, granted, does not explain the *why*.
We did not want to draw too much attention to NON since then they
would see a whole ugly drama around it, and likely be demotivated
to even try it.
It would also make people confused about non-sm and new-sm, non
and ntk, and all other things around it.
Those in the know (basically anyone on the #lad channel) were
aware of the situation.
There was nothing special about the announcement itself.
Only that we expected very ugly/nasty messages from you, as we had
previous experience and knew what to expect. And that was exactly
what happened. :(
On 04/01/21 01:00, J. Liles wrote:
Fillipe, when you announce a fork, your first responsibility (and
the expectation of the readers) is that you will provide
justification for the necessity of said fork. The justification
you appear to provide is that Non is not "of the community" and
is full of "ads" and "spyware."
I can think of no other way to interpret that announcement, even
with your claim to innocence.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 4:57 PM Filipe Coelho <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
ouch, you thought that meant for you? :(
sorry, terrible wording then.
That sentence feels to me like the usual "boiler-plate" for
an opensource program and why it can be good.
I guess the idea was to sorta write the first info in a more
formal, marketing-like speech.
But didnt come that way to you and likely a few others.
I can assure you it was not the intention.
On 04/01/21 00:50, J. Liles wrote:
My mistake. It says "spyware".
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM Filipe Coelho
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Can you please clarify?
The announcement is at
https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-announce/2020-June/002820.html
Where is it implied that non-session-manager is malware?
I do realize your name was not in that announcement.
This was not intentional.
I am sorry for that, you absolutely and clearly deserve
credit for NSM.
On 04/01/21 00:29, J. Liles wrote:
Indeed. In the LAA announcement post he implied that
non-session-manager malware as well.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 4:22 PM Marc Lavallée
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I did not know about New Session Manager, only a
bit about Non.
Now I'm reading this page:
https://linuxaudio.github.io/new-session-manager/
The description looks like Non is almost a
proprietary software, and that New is trying to
"fix that" as a "community version". Non is
released as a GPL2 software, so clearly there was
no need to fork it as a "community version". It
there's a better reason (that could be mentioned)?
GPL2 does not mean "free lunch"; there's other
licenses for that.
Marc
Le 21-01-03 à 19 h 08, Filipe Coelho a écrit :
On 03/01/21 23:57, rosea.grammostola wrote:
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Monday, January 4, 2021 12:47 AM, Filipe
Coelho <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
1. the new-session-manager fork was done by
Nils, not me. I appreciated the effort and
contributed some little things afterwards.
The idea for a fork was yours Filipe. You're
fully responsible for it, together with Nils.
There is no point in denying or downplaying your
role.
Huh? Where did you get this from?
I approved the idea of a fork, yes. Not sure if I
was the first one to suggest it, I am pretty sure
a bunch of people thought about it too.
I did say that I would maintain the "old" GUI if
needed, you can point the finger at me for that.
But wait, just because I have an idea for
something, how does it make me responsible for it?
It would not have happened if others did not have
interest on it.
Stop making it all on me.
Thanks
