Agreed restoring mailboxes isn't that hard. I have worked with many, many 
organizations which have a no mailbox restore process except for legal reasons.

Retention is a big deal these days and it's something every employee has to 
participate in. I've worked in several places where it's suitably important 
that every year employees and contractors have to take some number of hours of 
online training and take little quizzes on it at the end. The implementation 
mechanism for the retention policies varies, but, ultimately only the owner of 
the data (the end user) can properly categorize and label it.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


-----Original Message-----
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mail server software

I continuously coach users on filing anything important and not useing the 
deleted items as storage. I do this personally with every new employee. They 
have been explained to in detail as to what constitutes important mail. We 
don't archive for their benefit, we do it for CYA regulatory reasons. If they 
choose to ignor what I instruct them to do how is that not stupid? If you get 
pulled over for speeding is the officer supposed to just let you go because you 
say "I didn't know" when it was clearly laid out before you got your 
license?everything has limitations and there are trade-offs, when was the last 
time you had to restore a mailbox? I find it trivial but it's been many months 
since I had to do it. Training users pays huge dividends.....
Ask the Notes people why Exchange is so popular, they're still scratching their 
heads and losing market share.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
 Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud

----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Scott <mailvor...@gmail.com>
To: NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Sent: Mon Aug 17 20:09:52 2009
Subject: Re: Mail server software

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM, John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> wrote:
> Sure, I get the point ...

  I'm not sure you do...

> ... it all boils down to storage.

  Or design.

  The inability to easily restore a single mailbox is not a good thing.  Maybe 
there are tech trade-offs that make that design limitation necessary.  Maybe 
it's a consequence of some fundamental design decisions made a long time ago, 
and which aren't easily changed.  Maybe it's just something we have to live 
with, and other capabilities make it worth it.  But calling people stupid in an 
effort to defend that limitation?  That's counter to any possibility for 
progress and improvement, and rude besides.

  There are two ways to approach any obstacle: One can look for reasons why 
not, or one can look for ways how.  I know which approach I prefer.

> There has to be a reason there are so many Exchange installations out
> there and it's not because they were the first mail server on the block.

  If population is your chief metric, then one must conclude that cockroaches 
are superior to humans.

-- Ben

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